Why are there low number of games?

Discussion in 'Planetary Annihilation General Discussion' started by stipess, June 7, 2014.

  1. metaphaze

    metaphaze Member

    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    9
  2. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    4,357
    Gamma does was not to entice more players, gamma was to ward people away fro the idea of beta, as beta technically means feature complete, bug testing time. Gamma is not a way to grab players attention, it's to avoid the constant pushing of people coming the forums ranting about "This game is beta, whys it missing so much stuff?"
  3. aevs

    aevs Post Master General

    Messages:
    1,051
    Likes Received:
    1,150
    There was definitely a publicity push at the release of Gamma. Saying that there was no attempt at pushing for publicity with the Gamma release is just incorrect.

    Calling a phase 'gamma' would in no way prevent this. If anything, it would worsen that issue as some people hold a preconception about what 'gamma' means as a phase of development and might be up in arms about terminology (read: what happened).
    metaphaze likes this.
  4. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    4,357
    Well I didn't mean to imply there wasn't a push in publicity but just that it wasn't the core idea behind going to gamma phase, from what I understand and remember. All I know is Uber was getting quite a bit of flak for saying the game was in Beta before, Gamma phase can now be whatever Uber wants it to be, there are no predefined definition for it, unlike Beta. Beta normally means feature complete, bug testing time, since they switched to Gamma nobody can say "But the games beta, why is this still missing?"

    That's basically how I see it, they are no longer legible to that kind of question anymore, as Gamma has no real definition.
  5. DeadStretch

    DeadStretch Post Master General

    Messages:
    7,407
    Likes Received:
    554
    Where does Crowdfunding and Early Access development fit into the software development cycle?
  6. metaphaze

    metaphaze Member

    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    9
    Amen
  7. metaphaze

    metaphaze Member

    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    9
    honestly they've used every "stage" as a publicity push
    and lowered the price every step of the way too.
  8. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

    Messages:
    12,074
    Likes Received:
    16,221
    and that's not bad, the player surges after every push are quite visible.
    FSN1977 and squishypon3 like this.
  9. MrTBSC

    MrTBSC Post Master General

    Messages:
    4,857
    Likes Received:
    1,823
    imho stuff like alpha and beta doesn´t mean anything these days ....
    what the consumer needs to know is weither the product in question is still in early developement or truely released as a propper product ... the rest is arguing semantics
    Last edited: June 8, 2014
  10. RMJ

    RMJ Active Member

    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    234
    Well tbh. the game is pretty unoptimized atm.

    Even on my godlike system.

    I5 3570k 3.4@4.2ghz
    16gb ddr3 ram.
    780ti sc 3gb.

    It starts to lag and drop to 15-20fps very quickly.

    Its simply no fun to play like that, at least thats how it is for me, even 30fps i cant stand, for me its 60fps or nothing. so im just waiting atm, it sounded like from a stream the other day that optimization and multi threading is coming into the game now.

    Anyone know if that stuff is on the PTE yet ?.
  11. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

    Messages:
    7,050
    Likes Received:
    2,874
    the game runs 30 or more on your client probs. Instancing and stuff will happen just before release but will have some of the best performance increase. The server runs 8 games a machine, which also shows there are a lot of games open at once.

    the AI also takes resources just to run. So player games weigh less than AI.

    either way, threading is on the pte I believe. Garat invited everyone to strain on 10 player games with a few planets or a large one, so they can collect the data for their development use. It shouldn't be amazing, but should be effective at delaying endgame lag or making the slowest a bit faster.

    for those with fast computers, my 2.6 GHz 8g ram 1g gpu can run this game 30fps on start, it literally runs on weak machines as fast nearly albeit low settings, it is just server restraint for now.
  12. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    4,357
    I run the game, Intel HD 3000, i3 2.3Ghz, with 4 gigs of RAM at 30 fps, Uber settings :l
    cdrkf likes this.
  13. tehtrekd

    tehtrekd Post Master General

    Messages:
    2,996
    Likes Received:
    2,772
    Do you play with 10 AI and 11 radius 1200 planets?
    My crappy computer has a steady 30 fps client side on medium graphics, so I find it extremely difficult to believe that a rig with 16 GB DDR3, a 4.2 GHz CPU and a freaking 780 can't hold a decent frame rate even late game.
  14. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

    Messages:
    7,050
    Likes Received:
    2,874
    again. Anyone who can launch the game can play it decently. What would benefit faster machines, is dedicated servers or local host. The server runs at 30-12 fps in the average game. If the server was local, my machine would take a dump on large games, yours might not play it at all, and his would actually be faster than the current servers let him.
  15. popededi

    popededi Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    784
    Likes Received:
    553
    Yeah, I just noticed yesterday playing the PTE on a medium size system vs 1 AI, that I get no lag whatsoever on my pc that closely resembles a soviet T-34 in performance. So I'd say we're getting there.
  16. FSN1977

    FSN1977 Active Member

    Messages:
    657
    Likes Received:
    232
    The client performance seems better with the PTE but if you have a big FFA with the AI, the server Sim will really suffer.
  17. RMJ

    RMJ Active Member

    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    234
    I usually play with 4-5 bots. It starts out fine. But with the amount of units the AI keeps spamming out. it just goes slower and slower and slower. until its literally just a slide slow. but when i hit the 15-20fps i usually just quit the game

    I like 2 main planets and 2-4 asteroids nothing fancy.

    I guess im just a sucker for FFA :p
  18. RMJ

    RMJ Active Member

    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    234
    Yeah even on low with 3 other ai. the fps just tanks not very long after start.

    Got my logitech keyboard working. Game is only using 40-50% of each of the 4 cores. SO there is definitely CPU power there, game just doesnt use it.

    Even my GPU isnt even being utilized fully, its running way lower clock rates, because again its not being pushed..

    This was one the PTE. it seems better but still a long way to go.
  19. spainardslayer

    spainardslayer Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    257
    The bottleneck is the server, not your computer. You can have a "godlike" rig and still lag late game because each game is run off only one core ATM. However, at release you can run your own server and will probably get much better performance.
  20. metaphaze

    metaphaze Member

    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    9
    Are you a member of the Uber Team? Well it doesn't matter if you are, or were, i doubt they'd admit to their marketing strategies on a forum anyway... but claiming such things as you do (regardless of if they are posted elsewhere on ubers website or not), doesn't make them any more believable.
    I have the ability to reason. It's clear what kind of tactics Uber is using to promote the game simply by watching their actions... no amount of words, written or spoken overwrites the things that your actions say. It's very clear that Uber is using release names and prices to promote their game. It makes no difference what a pinkly dressed, crazed fan dressed like an animal has to say.

Share This Page