Viability of Assassins? Post-Nerf (NO LUNGE GRAPPLES)

Re: Viability of Assassin's Juice? Post-Nerf

You are wondering why we are discussing Assault in an Assassin topic? Here is your culprit.

beating a ledge camp on steal peel is easy
sneak out of base via side exit as assassin
destroy all the other teams turrets
camp bots till you have juice
take out their sniper
use juice to wipe out campers and firebase
hit annihilator
by now your bots should be trying to hump the moneyball and you are now camping them

The opposing team would have to have monkeys behind the keyboard to let the game turn around like that. :lol:

why?
have you not noticed that all people care about are kills?
when they are busy spawn camping they arent going to notice that they have no bots coming in, and if they arent dieing they are unlikely to go back to spawn and notice their turrets down
i have done it plenty of times and have even run into a support that managed to sneak out once and set up a 3.3 firebase in their base was many lols when they went to respawn

the only time it fails is if i am grappled before i destroy the firebase/s or kill enough players in the juice run

Speaking as an assassin, i rarely let bots get near or actually in our base. Steel has some pretty useful ejectors.

In Steel or Spunky, I can take both Bot Lanes with little issue. On larger maps like Lazor Razor or Grenade, I generally require a more co-operative team. Sure I can go cloakie, but that doesn't mean I can be everywhere at once, thus the value of lv3 Dash is realized to minimize the travel times on large maps.

spunky can be a bit of a joke as assassin sometimes
its quite easy to end the game inside of 3min

Yep, one bot lane. Bouncers are a pain in the @$$ though. For some reason, they keep chasing me while cloaked and have even gotten me in some grapples, which the enemy took advantage of.

This thread is so woefully off-topic that it actually hurts me....

Sins received a (rather large in my opinion) nerf. As a direct result, I have had to change my already very conservative playstyle to fit the new build. charge3, DB/charge, Bomb, and failsin facestabs are killing me more than ever. Gold Armor is now an absolute must. I used to think that 75 hp was no big thing, but now im not so sure. One of the Sin's main class features was the ability to escape hopelessly disadvantageous situations with her 3 mobility tools and, arguably, her cloak. Even with the use of all these tools, I found myself thanking the game gods that I got out of a bind with my precious "magic pixel".

Sure there were many senarios pre-patch that I should not have survived. For instance, lunging a group of enemy pros trying to pick a player with juice or a high streak, only to accidentally facestab a tank. "NO PROBLEM", I derped as i pressed "E" and put on my troll face. Allowing players to make such a critical mistake and go unpunished shows a lack of developer understanding of their product. The old grab range was also completely ludicrous as well. I mean, having a grab connect from like 2 tank's distance from the target is ******* silly. Now that the range is smaller, I HATE IT WITH PASSION, but I understand the change.

The one change i have a problem with is the lunge-grapple combo. I feel like this is entirely to unreliable now and I am constantly worried that my lunge will connect but grab won't. I am not saying that this combo is now impossible (because its not, i seriously still do it all the time). It is however, much more inconsistence. And without crack timing on the escape, It will almost certainly get you killed.

Bottom line: is the assassin dead?
NO

Has her viability in higher level play been destroyed?
No, good players knew how to decimate a sin before the nerf anyway.

I feel like the assault is most in need of a nerf of some kind.... BUT THAT IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD..... So i guess I'll QQQQQQQQQQQQ somewhere else.

Lunge-Facegrapple the assault. They took a hit with gold armor as well and are now in range for a lunge facegrapple -> lunge kill. They aren't going to be able to fight against that without charge 3. Supports without passive 3 are even easier, lunge facegrapple -> attack. Both with gold armor.

Lunge is still way too good. Armor nerf was not directed entirely at assassins despite what you might think. Armor pre-patch was too good in all cases.

Though with the nerf, Lunge is the only way out of a difficult situation apart from the unreliable smoke bomb, which doesn't even work in enclosed areas. Taking away the lunge's mobility essentially means killing the Assassin class completely.

Sorry, until someone nerfs the space bar, the lunge is fine.

Meh. Not in the mood to argue. All I'm gonna say is goodbye PC version. Not even worth it anymore. And if this update is planned for the 360, then I pray the 360 NEVER gets that update.

I think Jessep said that the pc has some sketchy issues with snipers being usually too headshot-bulletspam-able, and assassins having insane turning ability and lag-comphensation factors for their hit-and-escape (the lag sometimes covers the entire time you have to retaliate before escape), and that their nerfs won't be going to the xbox.

But please, feel free not to argue but to recommend what you would like to see in assassins. Maybe the little time I do play assassin, I don't notice the nerfs as much.

The nerf hasn't been much of a problem. Though the tank and gunner being able to bunny hop forever and ever is a bit annoying as it makes them impossible grapple. If you attempt and fail you get burned for you troubles and have to sit there for a few seconds while you smoke bomb, hoping you don't get flattened or knocked off the map.

I swear, going after a Gunner is even worse than going after Tank because of that accursed Slam making it impossible to escape for about 5 seconds, which is 4 more than necessary for that Minigun to do it's job.

I had good results with shurikens from a distance against Gunners and Tanks. You won't get the kill but after spamming three or four clips into the crowd they usually have to find cover. It's true though, you can't make a single mistake against the heavy classes anymore. Escape via smoke bomb is unreliable and slow and lunge + dash might or might not work. I really hope Uber finds the bug that screws with lunge and grapple so often.

Assassin is my main, I've only done better since the armour nerf.

I've clocked over 40 hours as a Sin. I can't... i cant handle the other classes. They're just so DAMN SLOW. ARGH. And i kept slamming the ground after i respawned as a gunner...

If there's one thing the armor nerf has done is make me play a much, much sneakier game. I stay on my toes a lot more. My lunge is almost always either in use or on cooldown. I try to be far more wild and unpredictable in my movements and location than before. It still nets me plenty of opportunistic kills though. Standard practice is to move behind enemy lines and move forward through them, take out anyone looking in what is the "right" direction, mow through the bots they were with, swap lanes and repeat. In a way the nerf had a benefit in that it forced me to play harder and thus improve.

Still thinking seriously about swapping silver RoF for silver Skill though. I find myself using my skills a lot more and having them on cooldown but not QUITE ready when i want them is what gets me killed most of the time. Maybe i'm overzealous? And i don't really need the swing speed as much as i feel like i did... Thoughts?

So yesterday I decided to boot up my MNC PC and try out the new changes. Mind you I haven't played a Crossfire game since the new exits were added. Remember my PC is also just under the recommended system reqs. to run MNC.

I went Assassin to "test" her out and see my special Samurai gear. I decided to first try a Gold Armor build with Silver Skill and Bronze Health Recovery. I couldn't join any rooms that I knew so I joined an empty room.

By the time I loaded in it was a 2v2 on Spunky. I went Assassin and there was an Assault on my team with a Sniper and Gunner on the other. First I decided to push some bot for some money. While I was doing this the Gunner kept trying to kill me and I was able to delay my escape a bit longer then I do on the 360.

Once I got the "long cardboard tube" I went Pro hunting. Now by this time it's a full room.
My team:
Assassin - Me
Assault
Gunner x2
Support
Sniper

Other team:
Gunner x3
Assault
Assassin
Sniper

This is where my crap PC crippled me. Anytime I would either try to engage or retreat the framerate would drop so much but I was still able to get away, but most of my time after that was spent re-adjusting my view. The game ended in OT where all I could do was stand still. I had 3 kills 13 Assists 29 deaths 118 Bot kills 5 Turret Kills and was 2nd most money earned out of everyone. :lol:

Thinking the framerate lag was mostly due to it being Spunky I decided to try a different endorsement build that was armor-less. Gold RoF, Silver Health Recovery, Bronze Skill. This was on Ammo Mule and the framerate lag wasn't as bad and it was also a 5v5.

My team:
Assassin
Assault x2
Sniper
Tank

Other team:
Support x2
Tank
Sniper x2

They didn't have much pushing power since the 2 Snipers were deathmatching with my Assaults. My Sniper and Tank were clearing lanes so I just harassed the two Supports. Gold RoF was like a hot knife through butter against their firebases. I did have to hit and run a lot baiting them to once place and sabotaging another.

Once we got there ball down, about 2 minutes in I was getting dropped by the Tank and Snipers. Needless to say I shouldn't have been "cardboard tubing" the Moneyball. I went 4 kills 3 assists 5 deaths 30 bot kills 8 turret kills and was like 4 on my team. Game was over around the 5 minute mark.

On top of all of that I was playing it with my XBox 360 controller.

P.S I tried Tank and went with my classic Gold Crit. Silver Armor, Bronze Skill and absolutely dominated. Heavy Jet Gun only death blossom when in a bind.