trying to get my tank skin in PA!

Discussion in 'Mod Discussions' started by nuketf, May 1, 2014.

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if i get this ingame should i make a Skyn unit mod?

  1. yes do WWII

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  2. yes do Supreme Commander (i may not beale to do them to 100%...)

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  3. yes do Supreme Commander 2 (there models are easy to do)

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  4. no PA needs to unit skyn mods!

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  5. shour

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  1. Raevn

    Raevn Moderator Alumni

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    The model needs to be triangles, that's what's causing the broken appearance (so only 3 points out of each quad were exported). Not sure why it's upside down though, since the bones don't get inverted.
  2. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    Aha! So that's why all of Uber's models are made up of triangles! I was curious about that while I was messing around with some in the past. Why is this exactly? Is it less resource intensive or what? I'd find it a bit more cumbersome to have to divide each square into triangles when creating a model... Also, for nuketf all models are made up of flat plane triangles, I might want to add, rather than solid blocks.
  3. Raevn

    Raevn Moderator Alumni

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    Honestly that may just be a quirk of the importer/exporter. I haven't looked at it in a while.
  4. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    I actually figured out it's quite simple to break a mesh apart into triangles. I can do it by going into the mesh's properties while I have a face selected. "break apart into triangles" or something along those lines. It might make it easier on a system? I'm unsure.
  5. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    all thats left is upside down tank! (and some problems with the animations...)
  6. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    i see it now! there not upside down ingame but almost all of the model is Transparent!
  7. Raevn

    Raevn Moderator Alumni

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    That may be caused by the normals being inverted - try flipping all the faces.
  8. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    is there a button thats auto does that?
  9. Raevn

    Raevn Moderator Alumni

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    Press W > Flip Normals (also found under mesh tools > Normals). This will flip the selected faces.
    upload_2014-5-4_22-18-22.png

    A way to tell if they are the right way around is change the Viewport Shading to Textured:
    upload_2014-5-4_22-19-30.png

    If you've applied a texture, you should see it normally, or if you haven't, the model should appear white.
    If the normals are incorrect, you'll instead see something like this (easiest to see in edit mode with the model selected):
    upload_2014-5-4_22-21-43.png

    It actually appears some faces are the wrong way and some aren't, so you'll need to look at the parts individually (you can hide selected faces with H, and un-hide all with Alt-H - this will make it easier to view certain parts by themselves).
    The parts that need to be flipped appear to be the main chassis, the underside of the tracks, the barrel and front of the turret (except for the top face).
  10. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    i fixed them aaaand...only the tracks and the part under the chassis appers not thwe Turret or barrel or the main hull just the tracks and a flat pice under them...
  11. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    I keep having the same problems ingame for my model, I just tried flipping the normals but can't actually test it yet, which is saddening. :p But yeah- you're not alone here.
  12. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    If you send me the .blend I might be able to help you.
  13. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    http://www.mediafire.com/download/04js50usut9a32r/lightlasertank.blend
  14. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    How much of it is invisible? Can you send me a picture?

    Edit: It seems like pretty much everything but the back tracks are correct. Maybe it's because the bones are connected via the general area around them rather than to particular parts of the mesh? (I'm still trying to find out how to connect a certain part of the mesh to particular bones rather than the whole mesh to the whole thing... or alternatively using weights. There is no comprehensive tutorial on manual rigging... ANYWHERE that I can find.)
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  15. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    I think it actually is turned upside down but all the faces are showing up correctly on the bottom, try exporting it then importing it back, is it upside down in Blender?
  16. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    it upside down when i import it
  17. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    Then something weird is happening. o.o I wonder if anyone has ever successfully put in a custom model into the game other than Raevn... (Though the game crashed after a bit when he put the TA commander into the game.)
  18. nuketf

    nuketf Active Member

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    hope he can help find a fix...
  19. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    OH! I know how to fix this. All I need you to do is... Create a new model, except without the mesh being all connected. As in, if I select all the faces for the top of the tank, it shouldn't move the bottom of the tank. Afterwards- I can rig it for you. :D

    Edit:

    This.PNG
    Basically make a new model that doesn't do this. :p
  20. nuketf

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    so...copy the turret and delete the old one and do not morph them into one mesh?

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