The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

Discussion in 'Unrelated Discussion' started by stuart98, November 11, 2015.

  1. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

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    If guns are so useless for self defense, politicians should be the first to be rid of them among their security, and the police theirs.

    I think the poor shouldn't be the only ones without gun ownership and access. That's what my entire stance is based on, class equality. Let poor people qualify to own and carry a firearm, if you want it registered then make any police officer able to add serial and name to registry and return it. If someone shouldn't own them via background, then make it something a judge has to order. The no fly list is a massive beach of due process, anyone can be added without discussion or reason. Democrats circa Bush were against it, they can't suddenly support it now.

    If they added gun permissions, to gun control, it'd be bipartisan. Gun owners would recieve national right to own and carry, gun control would recieve that national registry they have been wanting. You can even add sensible magazine sizes if you want, you can probably get away with negotiating a 20 round maximum, because anything above that is usually luxury anyway but 20 is very standard issue.
  2. Devak

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    That's not what he said.

    Look, guns are in the US and that'll probably never change. But can we at least make it reasonable?
    Looking at the price tags of guns, i think the poor ARE the only ones without gun ownership and access.
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  3. thetrophysystem

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    That's the real topic of bipartisan gun control. Bipartisan gun control isn't "it helps both of us, if you let us get rid of everyone's guns*". It isn't "both sides want it and you can believe me when I say that, instead of an actual poll". It's "we want to create a registry, and in return, the government will pay for the registration process".

    We did this before during the WWII and Soviet eras, and it wasn't even just the US. There are still western nations that practice conscription for a sense of civil empowerment. We NEED civil empowerment, it should be included in the concept of gun control. Else, its VERY partisan in nature.

    Until then, it's "I want to get my way, and you'll get nothing and like it", like most politics is. Then you're going to complain you WANTED your way and didn't get it with that attitude, like you can't grasp the fundamental concept why anyone would defy your ultimatum.

    Without bipartisanship, nobody wins*.

    *except the rich and the government
  4. Devak

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    I think plenty of people would want to get rid of all the guns. But at this moment, considering the entrenchment and the fact that nothing has happened still, i'd say that almost any progress would be monumental. Which is sad in it's own way.

    I don't really get your point here. We have professional armies now, with a focus on advanced equipment and not on sheer numbers. The army is there to defend and serve, not act as a kindergarden/youthcenter.

    Isn't the entire US political system based on "my way or the highway" though?
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  5. thetrophysystem

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    So basically, no effort to reach a middle ground, just try to win and stand atop the beaten peasants of your opposing political ideas.

    Well, when that doesn't happen, here's spit in your eye. Tbh, I hope both parties simply have just the shittiest time possible trying to orchestrate their madness. I hope the emails hemorrhage leaks, the committee leaders get caught in their scandals and impeached, and their candidates fail to inspire, until nobody shows up in their defense any longer, or until they stand for something real.

    Cheers, to unconditional victory, and acting like a little bitch who's entire world is falling apart when it doesn't happen, you reps and dems out there.
  6. Devak

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    Hey, i'm not saying i agree. But Obama tried middle ground and didn't get an inch. For the past decades, the republicans and democrats have focused more and more on ideology rather than practical rule.

    What exactly makes you think that all of a sudden, they'll find a middle ground? We aren't witnessing what is practically a political implosion for nothing. The republicans have basically sold their soul for power while the democrats lack any power, will, plan or capacity to fight back.
    What exactly makes you think that this isn't what we're already witnessing? People didn't vote a complete outsider with no previous knowledge nor experience of politics, who went against every conceivable form of political establishment, for nothing?

    Politically, the world IS falling apart.
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  7. tatsujb

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  9. stuart98

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    This is unpresidented...
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  10. thetrophysystem

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    Elaborate. He had congress majority for 2 years. I distinctly remember him trying to push, then when he lost that luxury, he tried the "let's bipartisan up for specifically the democrat bills". Sad that he'd let the ACA go the way it did, whether he claimed it was influenced by conservatives or otherwise, it's way worse than "literally nothing", the only good part is the existing conditions clause.

    Also, politically, the world is falling apart? Great, then there's literally nothing to gain nothing to lose and nothing to hope for. Then why should anyone care to support either party then? I'm still convinced to hope they lose and fall apart on the runway.
  11. Gorbles

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    Hey remember when the Republicans shut down government because they hated the idea of the ACA so much?

    Almost like they were at fault for something . . . somehow.

    :thinking-face-emote:
  12. thetrophysystem

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    Oh yeah, during the Obama administration, they acted similar to Trump supporters. I didn't see it to as great an extreme, and it wasn't even so "hypocritical" as it was "we're assholes and it's okay if you hate us".

    They're both at fault, and I hope they both fall apart. I especially hope that neither one is spared, falling apart only works if both fall apart. If only one falls apart, then I guess the EU can fight against the US during the great war of 2038 when the totalinarian US uses it's people's "regulated resources" by "right of way" with a people who are subjugated and cannot successfully protest or influence their government. I honestly hope the EU wins, and that I get my code project done first.

    In case of democrats not being the ones to fall apart, I want immigration to the EU. Any country. Any one of them even with strict gun control, would be better than a dysfunctional country with strict gun control. Gun control, there's the UK, AU, France, Germany, USSR, China, North Korea... I'd rather live in one of the first four, and the US would easily fall way closer to the latter four.

    Remember, Germany only committed a holocaust half the times they tried strict gun control. So it works at least half the time, and the rest of the time... well, it's an agenda for a government to do whatever it wants with free lease on the people and resources, and the US certainly doesn't listen to it's people, it's people just gather round the heels of the political division, thus the people follow the government no matter how nonsense the policies are, rather than the government following the people.

    The difference, is government trust and open action proving the government is influenced by the people. The EU has that. The US does not, it's the majority who lack power, and the wealthy few who have any influence to meet regulations to get on ballots or get their ideas and assets protected by the government while everyone else is tied in red tape and division wars.
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  13. tatsujb

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    the title is completely wrong on this.
    great vid :
  14. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    ey Trump even got some Eminem hate. njoy :
  15. Devak

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    I have no idea what you're trying to say. You mix opinion with sarcasm and move back and forth between points so fast that i can't see the lines between them.
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  16. thetrophysystem

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    ...the holocaust is an opinion, or is it sarcasm?

    Holocaust denier. /sarcasm
  17. elodea

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    since we're running with the retarded idea of gun control and gun bans as the appropriate response to homicide by gun, i say we also ban socialism and communism for committing 100 million homicides in the last century.
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  18. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

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    These videos have changed my mind about gun control. The facts in them are so great. Such great arguments, such credit to the liberal persuasion!


    ...and I couldn't find a youtube for this one, but...
    *disclaimer: the topic spins into another topic, and my opinion of both is consistently "not the government's job to micromanage unto it's p̶l̶e̶b̶i̶a̶n̶s s̶u̶b̶j̶e̶c̶t̶s citizens".
    https://www.facebook.com/goodbeatsevil/videos/868532989983297/
  19. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    and your point is?

    If we can make points now through goof-ups on certain "sides" then I guess prepare for a landslide.
  20. elodea

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    haha. It's always hilarious how quickly one can manipulate gun control advocates into using the same logic and argument that they were only just previously arguing against. All I had to do was use your own arguments to implicate things you value.

    Lookin a bit different now that you have skin in the game huh.

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