The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

I'm pretty sure the endgame-meta, is going to be "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Because, every "bad communism" and "bad capitalism" had a person of top authority, and every "good communism" and "good capitalism" has division of power among senators and administrators and junk.

That, and take the wealth angle out of the positions too, and you increase chances for the politicians to be doing their jobs for the right reasons (benefit of each individual as well as the collective as a whole), instead of for their own personal benefit.

Nobody in this thread relevant to the discussion said anything that you're claiming, which means you're inventing a strawman argument for an unknown and probably malicious purpose.

Try harder.

Where does anyone say that this was down to antifa?

Could just be a lone wolf, man. Plenty of them around, these days.

@elodea I like how assumptions aren't okay until it's you who's making them

also great more history revisionism.

now the nazi rize and violence was due to violences against them. is that what you're saying ?

Oh really? I guess we should strive to abolish the idea of fair distribution of wealth then. /s

predicting trump is a new art from much like divination but with a surprising amount of accuracy :
(Trump Fired Steve Bannon and if there was any doubts as to that man's ties to the alt-right... he lost no time in rejoining Breitbart)

Spoiler: I have the BEST words

just as a joke some Charlottesvillers should dress up as WWII italians and march as well.

All the grandparents gettin' heart attacks

Interesting, Macron's approval rating has taken a nosedive.

fuckingg told you guys

So when a car crashes into a crowd, Nazis did it at the fault of all white mankind, but if a van massacres people in France, it doesn't represent all muslims, when a shooter at a congressional shooting is liberal, it doesn't represent all liberals, but does represent all gun owners, despite it being illegal for him to have acquired it or used it, and when Antifa does this, it doesn't represent all Antifa...

Okay. No. You literally support my argument of "not everyone trying to defend military memorials, are racist white-supremacists, especially the blacks trying to defend them (there are plenty).

Whether you like it or not, your words support my cause. You'll claim they don't, but you might as well go back and edit your post and delete stuff, because it's clearly legible, that violent extremists in a group, don't represent 100% the group.

Yes, we should absolutely abolish the communist/socialist idea of fair distribution of wealth. Because it isn't actually a fair distribution if you have to initiate violence against people to do it. You too like to talk a tough talk about peaceful protest, but it seems when you're forced up against the fork in the road you would choose state violence over peaceful interaction.

You can stop acting like a child now. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that you aren't mature enough yet to have an intellectually honest conversation (even with just yourself) about what communism is. Don't put it off too long though, you wouldn't want to find yourself 70 years old and still thinking like an infant.

@thetrophysystem

The common denominator in the corruption of all systems is authoritarian state expansion. Capitalism and Communism have very different positions on the role of the state. One of them advocates for the expansion of state power while the other advocates for the limitation and minimisation of state power. Good capitalism is not good communism, and bad capitalism is not bad communism.

And here was me thinking your arguments couldn't get any worse.

When there is clear and evident cause (IS declaring for the attack in Barcelona, literal Neo-Nazis driving into a crowd in Charlottesville), this is relatively inarguable. However, IS do not represent all Muslims, and Neo-Nazis do not represent all, uh . . . humans? White folk? Whoever the predominant cultural / racial makeup is for that specific demographic. Gonna go out on a limb and assume white dudes, though.

There is no clear and evident cause here. Some guy was stabbed. Nobody has been caught. Nobody has been identified.

Apples and oranges, kiddo.

I never said Neo-Nazis represented all of white folk. Would be nice if more white folk actively denounced them instead of engaging in (as per colin's wonderfully-useful link earlier in the thread) Whataboutism.

It looks like your distaste for researching and reading things for yourself extends beyond just history.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/

lol @Gorbles post

Swear to god I don't know why I come here anymore other than for the educational value of seeing how crippled ideologies corrupt and twist the way people think and perceive reality and make it possible to hold otherwise low resolution, contradictory positions with all conviction. I assume any of you would be intellectually honest individuals in another lifetime, just not this one it seems.

Once again, I tip my fedora to the Rational Thinking Man™, unique amongst all of humanity by being immune to bias, above ideology, and of course, Always Right.

I denounced them.

Gorbles: Not good enough.

Essentially what this entire thread is at this point.

The memorials, I support. The Quran, muslims support. Some muslims lethally wreck into a crowd. A white supremacist wrecks lethally into a crowd. ONE OF THOSE is blamed on 100% OF THE MEMORIAL-SUPPORTERS. The OTHER ONE is blamed on "RELATIVELY FEW" of the QURAN SUPPORTERS.

There is plenty of denouncing going on among the memorial supporters denouncing the Nazis. You still insist nobody's condemning the Nazis, that not enough of them are condemning the Nazis so as far as you care they're all the same group.

There are plenty, upon plenty, of rights and even moderates, that group all muslims under the same threat level, insisting they aren't even condemning the attacks of their extremist, whenever plenty of those muslims are too condemning the radicals.

I'm not alt-right for instance. You blatantly don't care, and I insist that I'm not alt-right.

If your son is called names he's not and bullied all through school, maybe you'd suddenly care? ...probably by authoritarian enforcement though. Call some Antifa buddies up and beat up the bully's parents or something, I'd guess.

"some antifa buddies"

lawl

You're really still annoyed I labelled you as "alt-right"? Do you have any other explanation for using "cuck", for linking Sargon, and your general worldview and attitude to life as evidenced in this thread? You haven't given any, that's for sure.

It's okay to insult me, "the left", tatsu, colin, whoever you want. But when someone labels you as something you're acting like online, it's the end of the world. Predictable

And I'm sorry, but English is a complicated language. Nuanced, in fact. If you "denounce" something, you don't then spend five pages talking about how the people opposing the group you "denounced" are bad. It weakens the act of denouncing by undermining their legitimacy to oppose something you're claiming you also oppose. It's a very clear and obvious semantic ploy, and if you're doing it unintentionally, then maybe you're not as super as you think you are. Maybe . . . just maybe, there's still stuff you could learn. Stuff that posters in this thread can teach you.

I mean, you're not like elodea. You at least listen, even if you're prone to going off on unrelated crusades about things nobody's talking about.

Do you have any other explanation for defending "all violence" as not "all violence", brushing away leftist attacks as "well it could be staged", and calling everything you don't like "revisionist history", other than being hella-extreme left?

To further elaborate on how messed up that is, let's compare it to rape. "Oh, she doesn't have proof, it could have been anyone that raped her." There have been plenty of false accusations, for instance, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, each either did or didn't rape a woman in their lifetime. They both have accusations saying they did.

You can TELL that SOMEONE penetrated his hand though, pretty sure there wasn't "consent", and doubt it was "an accident", nobody "fell on him", he probably got intentionally stabbed by someone with an agenda to enforce. Sure though, let's scoff at the victim instead. Maybe the victim is lying.

So that's a no, then. You don't have an explanation

So all you're capable of now is going into a mixture of strawman arguments and ad hominem.

'Antifa doesn't advocate violence'.

I don't get where this whole focus on antifa comes from in the first place. Are the Nazis trying to point fingers at somebody else really that persuasive to you guys?
Yeah there are violent idiots everywhere. Even on the left!

Still doesn't make it right to imply that "fine people" can walk together with Nazis chanting Nazi things.
Still doesn't make it right to imply that anti Nazi protesters are somehow morally equivalent to Nazis.
Still doesn't make it right to play down alt-right terror attacks with a reminder of "violence on both sides" without even taking words like "Nazis" into your mouth.