Suggestion for the Vanguards

OK ENOUGH ALREADY!

There is an easy solution to this problem. Add Brian to the Vanguard!
Let me elaborate: Brian is the most vocal member of this community with fears about what the vanguard are (or might be). I, and assumably many others, just don't care. So adding him to the vanguard will have the following benefits:

1. His, somewhat justifiable, concerns regarding too heavy realm influence will be nullified. As he is now part of the vanguards himself.
2. He has gone out go his way to be a constructive member of this forum, so he would be a good inclusion regardless.
3. Besides you and him nobody cares. I am, however, annoyed by all these long posts with no game relevance...

I can't really see what the problem with adding Brian is, you say only Garat can extend an invitation. Well you are the communication bridge, shouldn't it be the first thing you communicate to Garat, that the forum could be put to peace if Brian was also added? Seeing as there are no downsides what could he possible have against that...
Unless Brian is right and you really have to hide something, but even if that's the case, adding him would be the best why to silence him. SO JUST DO IT ALEADY! (Or you know, first thing monday morning when the debs are reachable again.)
And to you Brian i suggest that you keep calm until then and not make your case worse with fear mongering and civil unrest....

Mod: Edited for appropriateness.

@BradNicholson Is the community manager for "All Uber games in development" he is not the baby sitter and ultimate community connection to us(forum posters) and uber. I think its better to have avid forum goers(lurkers,etc) be the communication between us and uber, since they read the forums more and get more opinions from the lot of us. Those forum posters could probably provide a more indepth Newsletter then brad can manage on his own.

There was no favorites picked, they said how they were picked and what uber decided to add to the vanguards. its in their Sticked post.

It's hardly picking their favourite people, it's giving the opportunity, to the people who suggested it, for a group to be created to try and IMPROVE communication between the devs and fans. Whether it works or not is irrelevant at the moment, as the intent is good - if you let that sour your opinion of the devs and community as a whole, I find that somewhat odd (but, obviously, its your opinion!). I presume the comment about community manager is a dig at Brad, but I can only assume being community manager has a LOT of other responsibilities at the moment which is keeping him busy. In fact, I wonder whether he is also the PR guy too.

EDIT: kind of ninja'd LOL

He is also a part of the Realm, as am I. Both Brian and I are sharing our concerns and criticising the system presented. It is in no way personal.

Agreed.

I'm pretty sure more than 2 people care. Also, you choose to read posts about the Vanguards, being annoyed by something is not a reason for the other person to stop doing what they are doing. Being annoyed is a feeling you have, other people don't have an obligation to you to not to annoy you.

I have no comments about this part, however:

Adding someone to the Vanguards because they are annoying according to some people is a bad way to go in my opinion.

Right now the Vanguards are being formed and the structure is developing. It's better to air concerns and critisisms now rather than later. It's harder to change a system already in place.

Mod: Edited as per guzwaatensen's post.

I also care. The selection process was a shambles. As from what I have read:

-The members who signed this letter to the devs did so in good faith.
-Uber agrees that this is a great idea.
-They contact one of the members who signed and pretty much said everyone who signed the piece of paper is in if they are willing.
-Each person who signed the letter where then asked if they would like to partake.
-I'm sure then they all chatted about the introductory post for a bit and then the **** hit the van.

The major problem is not one member even voiced concerns over everyone been from the realm. The fact that people that should have declined for the greater good of the vanguards couldnt see past a new badge shows bad insight.

This is were my concerns are.

what about kiss and tell

I don't get it man, This group just launched! Give it a chance, you won't see the fruits from their labour on day one! Someone sounds a bit butt-hurt over not getting a blue badge..

Have you tried asking nicely if you can be part of their team? The worse they can say is no

Your last post on the vanguards introduction thread says you read all posts. Maybe you should re read them. Sounds like you havnt a clue what you are talking about.

At least your gamers and not just here because you like forum communities

I read it all, perhaps you should! The group just launched and you guys automatically had problems with it! You didn't get a badge, deal with it!

Oh ok sorry. You probably missed this one.

Fair enough Clopse, but people are still complaining about this whole situation without at least giving them a chance. Some of them have been really helpful in the past, and I agree that theres some that have had little activity, but if Uber sez they are willing to give them a chance, then so be it! See how they get on. Who cares as long as the job gets done.

You've made an incorrect assumption Clopse.

I was giving you guys the benefit of the doubt. This just makes it worse.

i think nanolathe was meaning that not every vanguard is a member of the realm..

Well that wouldn't be an assumption.

Culverin, Cola_colin, and SXX are not part of the realm..
I'm only a realm member by label, i rarely join the speak, so i'm not part of the "HIVE COLLECTIVE" everyone assumes a clan to be..

oh and i make lots of the Realm PA sig's ...
I have that particular thread on the realm forum e-mail me so i can make some nice art if i can...

I'm sorry Clospe, but if you think we're blind enough not to notice, then you're doing us a disservice. If you think that concern was not voiced, I think you're doing us a disservice. If you think we're not professional enough to detach ourselves from personal agendas I think you're doing us a disservice.

You have not presented a shred of evidence to substantiate your claim of what amounts to little more than ' vague mistrust '.
Any way you slice it, until you can prove that the Planetary Vanguard is attempting to sabotage Planetary Annihilation, you are doing us a disservice.

What? You guys are feeding us with so much tripe it's unbelievable. I won't trust a group of people to make some community based decisions when they cannot even make the right decision on the starting members.