Some thoughts on balance

pieman2906 · November 20, 2014

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Like this post if you would like to see most of this go into game, and I mean most as in don't like this if you really want to keep vanilla exactly the same rather than these changes Well? Seriously, like this post if any more than 60% of these changes work for you and/or you see no massive gamebreaking leverage in a build with this balance. If you do have comments about "how much" you like it, or which of it you like or hate, then feel free to specify with a shortened quote below me in this thread.

These are my current balance suggestions. These are somewhat tested amongst mods but aren't suggesting any major crazy changes where avoidable. A lot have evidence backing it up too.

A lot also don't interfere with each other, WHICH IS WHY T2 IS MOSTLY NOT MENTIONED because it works right now and buffs like these to make proxies viable and early game death less imminent might see the return of some t2 and if we don't buff t2 we won't risk it becoming a necesity again.

I considered these interacting with each other, and their interaction has been mostly tested too. They function, with variety, and don't change each other enough to neglect one or smother another or secretly overbuff anything. Towers, proxy, expansions, raiding, t1 units, bots, tanks, air, naval, and all, should end up useful with nothing secretly disqualifying anything else from use. Could be wrong, doubt I am though.

Latest Balance Suggestions by me:

-Dox up in price to 55-60. No other changes, as dox are aight enough to tweak instead of hammer.
-Grenadier down to price of 80-100. I found out personally, that if they keep their splash as big as it is though, then they will def be the new dox. So, decrease their splash radius to 9. They don't need damage change, this massable a damage unit can already address tanks.
-Decrease combat fabber price to 300. The price was a legacy price from when they assisted fabricators. Now that tanks have armor and combat fabs can't assist, a price of 300 puts them within usefulness of tank armies and base babysitting
-Make landmines useful. For starters, if complete invisibility but only 40-50 damage and splash radius of 11 with a trigger range of 10, they would be useful, while not able to completely decimate armies, AND would be a good thing to use as an initial defence against bots when building a proxy.
-Make adv. combat fabbers, since we have them anyway, cost 1400 and able to build any turret, wall, artillery, teleporter, mines, and have a range of 100 and metal-usage of 60. This would make it possible to use them to creep or use in-combat, but not too magically since they wouldn't insta-build things. It would also make it possible to establish artillery with them, but artillery could use a buff/use. It would also make them simply better at base babysitting or using fewer per army due to their range.
-Skitters are mildly useful for fast paced startups and 1v1s for instance. However, for variety sake, it is a mild improvement, to make it cost 120, and have 150 health and a dox weapon doubled in damage. That way it does have something to contribute to a tank army.
-increase radar price from 200 to 300, decrease range from 600 to 500. Doesn't change role but would change priority, usefulness, necesity.
-single laser defence cost decrease by 50
-double laser defence cost decrease by 50, range increased from 110 to 120
-triple laser defence range increased to 180, just to make it somewhat viable late-game when turrets lack range to even see action. Secondary suggestion, just drop it's cost a ton to just 200 more than a double-laser.
-Like the commander torpedo nerf, now give slammers a similar nerf. No greater than 180 range, and no more dps than an orca. As dense and fast as they are, that would be plenty enough.
-Speaking of naval, make naval useful. Suggestions follow.
-Scout, reduce cost ffs everything naval don't have to cost huge because it is game-breaking unless you give that unit some magical power. If you don't want to reduce cost, increase vision to 350. That's right. 350. The only thing that would justify that unit.
-Strongly consider creating a new light quick cheap skirmishing unit, or make the scout into this. Suggested traits: 250 metal, 310 hp, speed of 12, torpedoes only, 60 damage, rof of 0.5, 140 range
-frigate Narwhal, needs to be AA effective costwise as land is. The price can stay if the power goes up, or vice versa. Suggestion: 450 metal, 750 hp, speed of 10, aa weapon range 120, aa weapon damage 35 (yes it does matter)
-destroyer Orca, needs about as fast as old days. Suggestion: all else the same, increase speed to 8
-naval fabricators, increase fabrication range to 50. Consider also upping the commander fabrication range, having the shortest of all fabrication ranges is anticlimactic.
-Give the kestrel something different from the t2 bomber. Legacy speaking, gunships have higher health than most air. Increase health by 50, decrease cost by 50. Also makes a new role because in light AA presence this can be damaged and fly back to be repaired.
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Strongly Disagree. This will destroy balance.
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Most of these ideas are sensible enough... It would certainly shake up the current balance a lot, but then isn't that what we've been asking for?

One change I'd like- double health of leviathan as currently it dies to 2 t1 bombers in one pass.
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The stingray should also get a lot of its old alpha range back, made it actually useful for sieging land bases from the coast.

Some thoughts on balance

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