So what does the 360 community think of Update 8?

the patches are all going the wrong way in my eyes. juice chaining hasnt been reduced, its effectiveness has. the bot icon thing really bugs me actually. there are always those people in parties of 3-4 who wish they could hide their bot status so the lobby wont die. i feel that it shouldnt be hidden because i think lower level players should be able to tell if they are up against a group of higher level players.

i will NOT buy the dlc if it is only uncle tullys. i will buy it if it is tullys and some balance issues. i will NOT be buying it if they port over all the stupid stuff they did on pc.

on top of all that, even if i do buy it, i wont be playing for more than a week or so. there is a certain skill level that isnt hard to hit. after that point, the game turns into a stompfest for the skilled player. some find that fun, some dont. some people (me) get bored out of my mind pulling a 40-2 average score in a match. if the competitive side of this game werent dead, i would have probably stuck around. as it sits now, i get bored of mnc after a match or two.

Um im talking about framerate not lag, a patch will fix framerate one way or another.

Haha thanks Tom, well what we dont have we wont miss.

It is not so bad. There have been cases where a unorganized team could not break another turtle team. However, a team that drops airstrikes on a turret as a teammate juices on it should break it.

Actually, recently I had more problems with turtling and snipers on XBox than on PC. That is kinda sad. Wow.

Bottom Line: The update encourages more turtling, but turtling still fails in every way compared to map controlling. It is much better to stop getting mowed down by the juiced assault and sniper like you pised off a mob boss and he just pulled out his violin case on you.

Didn't I'm Hudson say that bot Icons are still there.

Also, at this point any additions would be much more tweaked than they are now to promote teamwork while rewarding individual play.

Bot icons are still there. I count how many bots are on each team (and guess how many of them play assault or sniper) before each game begins.

If I may say the role of the assassin has been decreased even while juiced.

Unless both teams are experienced (IE have their priorities right) you will get the "Strike first and win later" scenario.

I am disappointed with exactly how weak the assassin juice is. It used to be

-Kill the first bot waves
-Prioritize player targets
-receive juice
-kill turrets

Admittedly this brought the match to an end pretty fast. I get making juice more team oriented. But being a much lower base health class means that getting close to those 2.2 rocket turrets and killing them can be difficult. Even if you cloak and then drop the hammer the damage you'll take requires that you smoke bomb first. Even then you might be unsuccessful if the other team has a good (read as one who knows the game) player in the base.

My question is this: Do juiced mortars still kill Lv 3 Rockits in three hits?

Why use the sword? It makes you so much more likely to be grappled out of your turret-slashing spree and does LESS damage than the Shuriken last time I looked. I always pick a spot where I can see both turrets and just Shuriken them both in 5 seconds.

I'm more than somewhat sure that slashing does MUCH more damage than shurikening turrets. Besides, if you jump around like a bunny rabbit on crack while you hack away, they have a hard time grappling you.

Grappling a bunny hopping player is not hard...

When they are also moving while jumping it is. Besides, shurikening takes forever to kill it. You take off roughly the same amount of health with 2 slashes that one shuriken clip takes off. And the sword can slash around four times in the time it takes an entire clip of shurikens to hit it. Maybe with clip size endorsements it can be better, but a lot of people don't really use clip size.