Planetary Annihilation LiveStream: April 19th, 2013

Wait....

Thats 113.7 Km2 but isn't Setons Clutch 20X20 km making it 400 Km2?


But the planet looks bigger.

I is confused.

bump, me to :?

Edit: Maybe they use different measurements for what really is one meter in Supcomm and PA

20,000m*20,000m=400000000m2
20km*20km=400km2

SA=113097000m2
SA=113km2

113097000m2/400000000m2=.282
113km2/400km2=.282

so this would be about 28% the size of setons clutch, although my understanding is units and buildings will be relatively smaller as well

an equivalent supcom map would be 10.6km*10.6km

edit: oh wow fixed, i think meters and km are really derping everyone out

Your grasp of maths is quite astounding. How did you manage to get from 113,097,000 m2 to 113.7 km2?

It's truly amazing. I mean... where did that .7 even COME FROM!?. What happened to the 97,000?

How could you butcher 113,097,000 so completely? All you had to do was knock off a few 0's at the end...

Was it like: "You know this 'Hundreds of Thousands' and 'Tens of Thousands' part of the number? Yea, we don't need those!" *throws them over-shoulder*

I'm guessing he did it the same way I did it first time and got puzzled.
Planet radius is 3000m, which is 3km.

Area of a sphere is: A=4×pi×r^2 and by this simple math you get---->
A=4×pi×3^2
A=113.0973355 km^2 ~ 113.1 km^2

Definition of a square kilometre can be found here

and by that definition square flat map would need to be approximately big 10.63km×10.63km. That seams to be almost half the size of Setons if the measurements are the same, which I don't know, I just know SI

Correct my math fail also than mister professor cause I am dumb also

edit: I also don't know where he got that .7, but its still allot better math then veta's up there he seams to have forgotten a few zeros

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-solids/sphere.php

When I plug in 3000m radius it's popping out with 113,097,000 m2. 113,097,335.52923 m2 if you want to be precise.

I'm not sure how he got .7 either. That's what threw me.

What's worth noting is Jon never said this was "bigger" than Setons.

yeah cause it round up those last digits because default significant digits is 6, I used my calculator and wrote all the numbers, its not that important, what's puzzling me is if this map is so huge, which it seams in the picture, how can it be almost the half size of setons, (by this math) or did they use some other measurements in Supcomm?

SupCom's scale is whack.

Also, I wasn't here to "correct" anything more than that .7 It just made me cry.

My thoughts exactly

By this math planets radius should be at least 5.7km to match area of the setons (it would be a little bigger than)

Im so confused.


Whatever.

Somehow I think the scale PA uses is probably hard to compare to SupCom.
To compare it you need more than just that surface area.
You would need to compare the factor of average unit speed and surface area and the factor of average unit size and surface area.

I don't know the numbers to do that, since the PA numbers are unknown so far and are likely to change in the future since the game is only pre alpha after all.

You would also need to know the conversion rate for "PA Metres" to "SupCom Metres"

I guarantee they're not the same.

Also if Setons is really that big, MOTHER OF GOD every unit in Supcom is like 8 square meters.

You don't. I.e. (random numbers):

PA: 10m distance 2m/s unit speed => 5s to travel

SupCom 100m distance 20m/s speed => 5s travel

So in this example everything would feel like it is the same.

The m-unit cancels itself out, only the ingame-seconds remain, which are usually equal to real world seconds.

Well no supersized Experimentals. In PA right now.

Actually useful units, given that the map "km" is arbitrary:

Time taken for the commander to move 20 times his footprint
Time taken for the T1 attack tank to move 20 times its footprint
Relative speed of scout aircraft compared to the commander
Height of a single tree relative to a scout kbot
Size of planet expressed in numbers of T1 Energy plants that could be drag-built round the equator

Just by visually estimating the relative scale of that 3,000m radius planet compared to the size of PA units, I would say that it contains about 3 or more Seton's Clutches within its surface area.

Here's some numbers. Note the PA numbers are not the real balance numbers, just what they are as their initial unbalanced settings.

SupCom Commander height: ~40m
PA Commander height: ~12m
SupCom to PA commander height ratio ~ 3.33 : 1

SupCom Commander ground speed: ~33.3m/s
PA Commander ground speed: ~10m/s
SupCom to PA commander ground speed ~ 3.33 : 1

While I'll stress again these aren't final numbers for PA, I'm sure you can see a pattern there.

edit: fix typing fail

Math! :shock:

Genius Holmes. :roll:

As something a little more substantive; You've changed the scale by roughly a third while keeping the same measurement of a metre? So the Planet Jon showed us is roughly 3 times as "big" in terms of unit-to-map scale then?

113.1 km2 is in fact much bigger than we thought is was