Mindblow through science thread

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    gods... what rubbish. I don't need this simulated reality argument again
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    It's an interesting argument, and one could argue that it's similar to the solipsism argument. I just don't think it has much practical relevance. IE if we're a simulation, it literally wouldn't change a thing.
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    It has a certain hint of religious believe on it. Some people need a God to explain the Universe, nerds like to think the Universe is a computer game....
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    To me it seems more like a fun hypothesis that people are taking too seriously.
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    Kinda like religion. :p
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    checkmate. x'D
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    Today sure was a memorable day. First Gravitationalwaves of colliding neutron stars, then WPA2 is shown to be rather broken.
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    They've managed to learn a new version of AlphaGO that does not get started by learning to mimic humans. Instead it just plays itself nonstop with no human intervention or hints whatsoever. Takes ~70 hours to reach super human play from a blank network.

    https://deepmind.com/blog/alphago-zero-learning-scratch/
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    Now that... is scary
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    not really...

    I'm mean I get what you're saying but it still a far cry from anything that would deserve the dub "intelligent". it's neural networks learning the way out of the maze.

    there's a "way" to play go perfectly.

    there's no "way" to think.
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    I'd argue they are developing a "way" to think in the whole field of AI.

    But yeah not scary. Beautiful! AlphaGo Zero simplifies the approach the previous versions used and gets better results at the same time: Strength in simplicity.
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    Reading the headline the approach doesn't seem very special. However to get such great results (time and proficiency) they must be doing something really new and revolutionary.

    What I don't see clear about this is going from an environment you can fully simulate (a game) to a real world thing. There you have to use previous examples to learn from
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