Legitimate question, no trolling:

I hear that if you unlock custom class 6, all of the so-called useless skills become much more usefull. Feedle told me so.

Gunner Grapple upgrades are actually useful on PC, because alt fire grapple does not one shot bouncers for all classes anymore.

And bouncers on PC are 500000x more deadly than bouncers on console.

Imagine a bouncer with host advantage. Now imagine all bouncers have that.

The armor nerf is significant in terms of spray gun fights at mid-long range. (I find the gunner/assault match up to be somewhat easier in terms of DPS in favor of the gunner) Not very significant in terms of changing the effects of high burst damage in my experience.

Tank deploy is really the only useless upgrade IMO, and even then, I'd only call level 3 useless. Level 2 is pretty amazing for the low cost.

Going back to assassin smoke bomb - that **** is definitely worth upgrading. Now a days, if I'm playing competitively, I actually get smoke bomb 2 before I get cloak 3. Depending on the nature of the game, I might get bomb 3 before I get crit shuris (cloak 3).

The decreased cooldown time is CLUTCH if you play the way I do.

Not to mention the wider range of the flash. It may be short but it's enough to get away.

Deploy tank- pros: can't be grappled, can't be ejected, burn from behind, extended jet flame.

Reload 3 doesnt reload so its a constant flame.. if you use this as a flame down or a gun down like the gunners deploy vs another gunner chances are youll kill the tank coming at you and stop their charge.

Cons: cant move and cant blossom and your an easy headshot.

Basically think of it like the gunners deploy but you need to use it on tanks or assaults who like to charge etc.

But then the assault will just headcrab you after he charges behind you / Assassin will shuriken you / Sniper headshots you / Tank corner shoots with railgun and product grenades you / Gunner will just mow you down / Support sticks you :roll:

Or for the daring run up behind you take all your energy and melee you ^^

your only suppossed to deploy for enough time needed to kill the tank coming at you..
just like when a gunner deploys.. you should only use it for 1v1 fights when a character is going to come charge at you. IE: tank, assault, assassin

^^^^ smells of piss

lol@melee killing a deployed tank.

Tank will do a lot of damage against a deployed tank / gunner just with L3 product grenade. The assault will charge past you and easily headcrab and taunt you. Assassin will smokebomb and shuriken.

Deploy gives you health and is useful for assaulting the moneyball when you know you are not coming out of there alive.

The problem is, there aren't very many good assaults. Most assaults rely specifically on using bombs or charge grapples, so they don't work on their ability to kill with the AR.

It'd be nice to get the update to change gunner grapple. I actually upgrade my grapple every game, Slamming freezes my xbox too much, and too many people avoid it.

Deploying as the Tank halts your ability to aim until the "zoom-in" animation is finished. The Gunner's Deploy doesn't have this - you can aim wherever you like, and you get the critboost the second you enter the Deploy animation.

I do see a lot of Tanks deploying these days.

Deploying gives extra crits, smaller reticle, and slowdown. If it gave slightly more armor, made reloading faster, and stopped headhots at lvl 2, I would consider it a good skill.