Ideas on how to balance the sniper

Uncle_Coord, I understand that you don't want the class you play pretty much exclusively nerfed, but the other classes might want to have fun too sometimes...

Nickeboy, if you say you're not a good sniper and pull off 50+ kills, then that's because you're playing against bad players, not because sniper is OP. As others have said, there's many ways to counter a sniper. Any good assault/assassin can shutdown sniper. If you can't lunge/face a sniper, then you're doing it wrong.

Ok. I'm a bad player. I play against other bad players. Why am I getting 50+ kills and they aren't? BECAUSE MY CLASS IS BETTER THAN THEIRS.

A good assault can shut down a mediocre sniper. A good sniper will headshot him before he leaves the base. And as for lunge + facestab.. If the assassin is cloaked, I'll hear him coming and proceed to jump and SMG like crazy. If he isn't cloaked, I'll see him, because I never stand still and scoped in. Jumping makes it really difficult for him to grapple me, while my SMG chews his health away. And if you're saying facestab counters sniper, get this : snipers can grapple too. If both are mashing grapple, it's a 50/50 chance - which, again, can't be considered a counter.

Sure, great assassins will kill me. Great assaults will kill me. But pit them against equally skilled snipers and they're out of luck.

I'm not saying it's easy to counter a sniper alone. My point was "what would happen if the other team countered you AS A TEAM".

My reaction is: You can't counter them all. You can be a good sniper all you want, but if the team counters you, then they made the game much easier for them. Also, while the team is countering you or at LEAST making an effort, their team SHOULD have a good counter sniper.

Also, when I was saying you were biased, I meant in the fact that you most likely have not played against a well balanced team and therefore never had any real problems as far as playing sniper goes. However, a good team is sure better than any 1 individual player by themselves. Get my point?

If you're stomping on bad players, then you're not that bad, you'd be at least mediocre. Any class can get 50+ kills against bad players.

Yeah. But you can't really rely on your team in a pub, can you now? You can't balance a game purely around competitive teamplay.

And even then, if a team is required to co-operate in order to beat one class, doesn't that mean that one class is more powerful than the other classes that have to work together to bring him down?

So, we're going to nerf sniper for pubs, but when it comes to competitiveness, it will need a buff?

Sorry, but I dont see THAT many good snipers. Could we just give the ******* game more than a month before players can actually get good at it? We weren't exactly pros from the start either. Pub stomps were going to happen and will continue to happen till:

A. every class gets nerfed till the pros become noobs again.
B. noobs gain experience with their favorite class and become pros.

Hi my name is Grimbar and what is this?

I saw my name in here and let me tell you this. Assault is a counter to Sniper, may want to talk to OD about that one.

since i play street fighter, i will say that stomping pubs are the pubs fault.

first off, if they dont know how to play, balancing the game and then everyone eventually learning to play will mean you will hafta "take off the training wheels" and balance it back to normal later on.

second off, like on street fighter, the high-level matches are all that count. if you have high levels against low levels, the high levels as all assassin will win against an bad team of all tanks. a high level team of all gunner will win to an enemy team of all sniper. you see what im getting at. balancing the game wont balance the game, just make that class bad so high level players use a better class. eventually you will make ALL classes bad 3 times in a row, all will be horrible to play with, but the same people will still be stomping.

teach n00bs to use the assault properly. yes, the assault will kill snipers, or at the very least be able to kill turrets and push bots against them. at the VERY VERY least, they will win in overtime cuz an assault will kill a moneyball before a sniper kills even a fifth of his.

Only takes one to take down any class. If it requires more, than he's simply a better player. Of course, with teamwork, it's much easier. In pub, he has no team to back him up either. You can't simply look at it from your own perspective.

Nope. Even if the sniper gets nerfed, it will still be good in competitive play. For example, make it so that spamming bodyshot to kill a tank or a gunner will no longer be a viable tactic. The snipers that can consistently pull off headshots will be unaffected.

How do you think a gunner with experience will suddenly start beating snipers? No amount of experience takes away his big head and slow movement speed.

Trust me, I don't want the sniper to be nerfed to the point of being useless. I enjoy playing it. I just don't feel like it's very rewarding when I can just top the scoreboard without even leaving my base (hello Grenade III).

Hell, maybe the sniper shots should be projectiles instead of hitscan. Having to lead the shots wouldn't reduce dps against stationary targets a single bit, but it would make killing players less trivial.

You want to balance sniper for pub by nerfing them to the ground so only pros that play competitive can play them viably. Yeah, that sounds great :roll:

Go play better players if you find pub too easy. Don't ruin the game for pub snipers who are worse than you.

Did you just read what I typed there? I don't want to nerf the sniper class to the ground, but right now it's just over the top.

Making the sniper rifle a projectile weapon would make it a tad harder to aim, but definately not something that only competitive players can do.

Doesn't it seriously sound wrong to you that a sniper doesn't even have to aim at tanks or gunners to kill them? No, spamming a clip at them is enough, and there's nothing they can do because they're HUGE and slow as hell.

I'm gonna go watch some TV now, so I won't be posting anymore. Keep in mind I don't want to offend anyone, we simply seem to differing views on game balance. It's ultimately up to the game developers to decide, I'm just voicing out my opinion here.

The only thing ill agree with you on, is that a good sniper vs a good tank in 1v1. Tank would lose hands down, but gunners still have potential since their mortars hit a wide area and they arc. Also, like the dev team has stated before, some classes are just simply better than others. However, that doesn't mean that a good sniper trumps all classes. You should honestly play against a better team is all I'm suggesting.

Yeah I read what you said. You don't sound like you have much experience at all. Turning sniper into projectile completely changes the class and would require a lot effort to balance correctly. It's not as simple as you think.

Of course you don't have to aim when the gunner/tanks you play with stand completely still. A full clip of bodyshots on a tank will not kill him. Even with gold rof, it still takes 3-4 seconds. If you stay in line of sight of a sniper for 4 seconds taking fire and not finding cover, you deserve to die.

Congrats on your awesome detective skills bro, what you got sure is l33t...

This does not however change the fact in anyway that as of now there is no proposed sniper nerf that will keep the class competative, infact it isnt even certain that sniper needs a nerf...

As players get better snipers will become weaker in the general overlook of things.

Its far to early in the games development to be calling nerfs on things that arent screaming broken.

I'm just saying that a player who only plays a single class might have trouble judging the overall balance. You know, always only seeing everything from a single perspective and all that...

Go play gunner on Grenade III for a couple of matches, then come back and tell me sniper is balanced.

Then it's a map problem, not sniper. Even on Grenade, assault/assassin can easily shutdown sniper who's camping near spawn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRWO4oOBQI


Do you mean to say that the gunner has a counter class?! THIS IS MADNESS!