I am sorry...NERF the sniper

You solution for the grapple.. i didnt fully understand.

Shouldnt they just make the throw grapple level 3 instead of level 2? i mean every other class that has a throw grapple is level 3.. paying 400$ for an upgrade is a huge jump from 150$.

And 3 sec for the icetrap is long enough to kill someone.. without getting a headshot

Also i do think i just heard you say the Assassin does the most damage?... uh... where did you get those facts? because she doesnt..

I lol'd hard at this one. The SMG requires too much accuracy at close range? Really? Really really? Umm, no. No more than another shooting class, sillykins.

This is why I think you're an idiot.

What do the stats of real life guns have to do with this argument? PS Your Call of Duty gained knowledge is not impressive. The SMG is an EXCELLENT up close and personal smash to the face that absolutely can and WILL destroy close up pros.

There was so much more wrong with your post, beyond the glaring and painful lack of any punctuation yet again, but I have already written you off as a complete moron, and I think so have many other forum members. I'm not even sure if you are playing the same game as us, because you are absolutely on your own here with your "astute" observations.

If they change the level 2 grapple to ring out at level 3 and left the other pros grapples alone how fair do you think it would be for the sniper to have to buy level 3 grapple just to do a ring out attack on some one? the other pros can still ring a sniper out with there level 2 grapples and the sniper has to get to level 3? thats the point i was trying to make you're saying his level 2 ring out isnt fair i'm saying jacking his level 2 up and makeing it to where he has to get level 3 just to ring some one out isnt fair

Does the most damage ((((In close quarters fighting))) thats what i said it does the most damage upclose other then the support (thats not really a support class imo) here try this setup

Assassin class
Rate of Fire........dont gripe just do it
Armor
Any perk you want here i prefer the Speed upgrade or Juice

with that setup for my Assassin i can run from my spawn over to theres at the start of the map and get at least 4 kills before every one on the enemy team gang bangs me

anything the assassin fully upgraded could possibly do to you < shotgun < spun up minigun < airstrike < headcrab < pancake/ringout


had to make that chart to show how 3 other classes could outdamage the assassin.

the supporst shotgun is op thats why it does so much dammage the gunners mini gun takes a few seconds to spin up to fullspeed the airstrike is a special attack not a pro or a pros weapons and wtf is a headcrab?

a headcrab is that throbbing tumor on the side of your character's face ...

...oh, what does this button do *detonates the assault bomb stuck to you* :shock:

hey, looks like its a malignant tumor too :lol:

but ill give you the airstrike, but if you run lvl3 bomb with gold skillpill like i do, then you would know that the bomb is pretty much a weapon with a fairly quick rate of fire. i think you can fire more bombs than sniper rounds.

god damn shotgun! *shakes fist*

How would making it level 3 be "unfair" the Gunner and Assault's ringout's is level 3...
Making it level 3 would be more fair then leaving it at level 2..

And for damage.. Assassin does not do most damage to Bots
Assassin does not do most damage to Turrets
Assassin does not do most damage to Pros (sure its a 1-hit back grapple.. but so is a 1-hit headshot, plus all those throw grapples are 90% instant kill, even from the front, that is why i say the Assassin is not the best against Pros)
Assassin does not do most damage to Moneyball

In no subject is the Assassin the best at for damage..

Really? are you shure because im pritty shure that i've seen an Assassin rip a money ball to shreads in a few seconds non juced btw i think the assassins you have seen good sir are noob just like OP

I TOLD you he was playing a different game! Does Sneak King have a moneyball in it perhaps? :lol:

Never played Sneak King.......

And obviously not playing the same MNC we are, Dreddddd

Yeah i am just finished a game went 46 12 9 :mrgreen:

Dredd i do believe either you do not know how to tell time.. or you didnt realize there were other players attacking the moneyball aswell, as if you ever played an Assassin... it takes a good 25-30sec to destroy a moneyball... while juiced.

no, he just tries to start fights with people who think the sniper is overpowered instead of backing up his claims.

You guys think that the Sniper is Op with out provideing any sort of proof what so ever

Ice traps freeze long enough to get out 3 body shots, killing even a gold Armored Assassin.
Not only do ice traps freeze, at level 3 they drain skills.
Sniper gets 3 ice traps.
Explosive rounds activate off of allied pros.
Explosive rounds activate off of allied bots.
Explosive rounds activate off of own team's moneyball.
Explosive rounds give Snipers the ability to lock down an entire lane.
Explosive rounds combine with penetrating shots.
Explosive + Penetrating shots can effectively kill any class with a single bullet.
Said single bullet can get a Sniper a full juice bar.
Sniper is the only class proficient at long, medium, and close range.
Sniper's Flak has a ridiculous range.
Sniper's Flak can kill an Assassin/Sniper from full health.
Juiced Sniper can kill a Juiced Tank with 2 SMG clips.
Sniper still has the best grapple in the game.
Grapple recharges in all of about 8 seconds.
Grapple is almost always a ring out.

Every single one of those abilities is overpowered. Good enough for you?

juiced sniper owns anything with an SMG, unless you at range as a pre spun gunner with juice your screwed by at range i mean med range with your dual minigun spun before he turns to see you and you've already started to shoot.....

Not really....

yeah to save me time im just gona C&P the main body of you're post and put my answers below it mkay? Im sure you dont mind me picking apart youre argument here in a logical fashion it's kewl after all.

(The bot that the sniper spawns drains skills as well.......are we gona make it to where that bot doesnt do that anymore? Or make it to where the supports turret no longer heals any one at level 3 Because its an ability that the bot hasjust like its an ability that the mines have at level 3..just like its an ability that the turret has)

(Just like the support gets 3 levels of the same turret each one doing more damage and having more range then the last one and the final level being able to heal him and everyone around him? Aid to the fact that a 3.3 firebase can cut down a tank with Gold Armor on in 4 seconds flat and thats not OP?)

Im just gona do one answer here for these 3 its called..ready for it? Friendly fire.now of Corse it would be lame bs for the sniper to be able to kill a team member with those said explosive rounds and for that matter the bot spawns too..well yeah we need to nerf that yup make it to where I can kill my team members and the spawns with that skill.and then you would get what? Diddlly for kills or cash but yeahDevs get :lol: on this one right away I wana be able to woop my own spawns and team members because little assassin kids feel the need to whine gripe and moan about their inability to use any sort of tactics and or skill what so ever to avoid the shots and my mines to attack me from behind when im not looking yup yup do this now :roll:

(And? the Gunner and Assault can lock down a lane as well and if you dont use the noobtubes as the Assault to kill bots on a lane then you good sir are a noob! :lol: )

(That they do my friend and if I had a high caliber sniper rifle such as a 50.cal and loaded explosive rounds in to it those said rounds would penetrate the target and deepening on the sniper rifle used and the type of explosive ammo used the target behind that one before exploding)

(Only when juiced and juice doesnt really last that long in the first place and a headshot thats a one hit kill and a support can kill any class with a single shot when juiced)

(Yeah if 8-9 normal jackbots bunch up a sniper can get Juice really quick usually in 3 or 4 shots without juice skill ofc)

(inb4theonlycusswordilluse here BULLPOOP that good sir is a massive steaming load of it and you know it i snipe other snipers from across the map with my gunner and for that matter with my assault if you cant learn some damn tactics to kill a sniper stop playing this game)

(Just like the Gunners level 3 slam? i mean it might as well be a freaking ejector)

(Really? because Ive run thru a level 3 flak ball before and didnt die.....i died from the gunner who saw me though that sucked)

(And a smart Tank can kill a Sniper in 2 Shots Juiced the little Gauss rifle he gets 2 shots a sniper even with Gold armor Rate of fire and juice on a tank is bull)

(Wrong here bro it's as fallows Assault, Sniper, Assassin,) the Gunner has a really crappy grapple his doesnt count...amirite?

(9-10 seconds without the skill upgrade i think thats fair)

(And what other class doesnt ring out at level 2? Because off the top of my head without testing it out I can think of the Gunner his slam is a ring out on level 2 the assault does some kind of falcon mega dash and rings out other players at level 2 and sometimes even at freaking level 1 the assassin isnt meant to ring people out shes meant to get in kill a target and get the hell out before anyone can figure out what the hell just happened hence why her grapple from behind is a one hit kill and a one hit kill on most pros from the front)

none of your arguments are even responses to the problem at hand, and there are multiple holes with your claims.

he isnt asking that explosive rounds hurt your team members, he is saying they shouldnt explode on them.

snipers dont need to put themselves at risk to hold a lane, and do it better than a gunner or assault. (your feelings that an assault is OP makes me think you just want everything to work out perfect for the sniper.)

where in the world did you get a 50cal round that can explode? and again, not addressing the issue. exploding rounds explode on the second, third, etc targets as well, potentially killing a tank with one shot.

snipers earning juice thing, you pretty much shot yourself in the foot.

a sniper has the best long range, second best short, and good medium due to ice traps and flak.

flak can kill them, he didnt say "will".

1: you are making an unfair argument. he said juiced sniper v juiced tank, you said juiced tank vs sniper.
2: i disagree with lief, its only 1 clip.

sniper grapple trumps assault grapple, as i have been grabbed out of assault grapple by a sniper 9/10 times i try it against any decent sniper.

ringouts: gunners slam can throw, not nearly as far as sniper. same with the assault, and tank grapple doesnt do nearly as much damage. and front grapple is ONLY a kill to assassin/sniper with <silver armor, until passive 3 is purchased.




ALSO: punctuation helps with conveying your message in a clear and concise manner. if you don't use at least .'s, ?'s, and the occasional !, it's really hard to tell others what you are trying say. this isn't a chatroom, its a forum. please use some punctuation.