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I can name a handful of "slow paced" shooters that are actually doing well. Though one mod does come to mind... DayZ anyone?

Though really it's all personal preference to what is an isn't supposed to be.

I see DayZ has a Fallout-esq RPG in a way. The "action" is really buggy and clunky, but the way you can go about things is almost endless.

I can think of plenty of fully competent fast-paced shooters without requiring exploits and retarded bunnyhopping. Bunnyhopping adds absolutely nothing positive to a game; it only detracts from the game.

Wait are we talking bhopping or advanced movement in general? I don't really have an opinion on bhopping specifically, but advanced movement turned this into this. Plus, like Defrag has proven, advanced movement can basically be a game in itself if done right. It adds skill ceiling to the game.

What do you consider fast-paced? When I think fast-paced I think 1 frag a minute bare minimum, which I think would be impossible if there's not a way to reposition yourself efficiently and quickly. Edit: Actually let me change that: I consider something fast-paced when it's realistically possible to get more than 40 to 50 frags in 10 minutes.

A good example of bad implementation is Gunz. The game is literally based on exploiting the game with stupid techniques.

It's official, COD is fast paced :roll:

short life expectancy =/= fast paced

I have no issue with tight controls and a well implemented movement system. I do have a problem with games that are so broken that exploiting becomes standardized. Bunnyhopping is exactly that: an exploit that became so standardized that some players became so attatched to it that they can't function without it. There is absolutely no logic or reason behind it beyond it being an exploit people got addicted to.

I agree. Same thing with rocket jumping.

Damn. At least they're intended in this game.

I agree that if they are intended then they are legit and therefore there's logic behind it beyond it being an exploit people got addicted to.

The unintended effects of the TF genre are what made those games have such staying power. Conc grenades, bhopping, etc

Bunny hopping was never an exploit within the Quake and Half Life realm of gaming. Where's grimbar and tech when I need them, even though they both despise FF afaik

bunny hopping was originally an exploit.

I don't think it's fair to call it an exploit when developers embrace it as a feature of the game (ex. Rampage jumping and brawling). Dolphin diving was a form of movement that is considered an exploit of the engine in Battlefield 2, hence the removal. The only ting ever done to bunnyhopping, that I can recall of, was Valve limiting movespeed to 170% when TFC came to Steam.

It's similar to combos in Street Fighter 2. Not originally a designed feature but the developers like it so much it became standard.

embracing as a feature after the fact just means the exploit was worth keeping. it was still an exploit.

I don't like the term exploit. It makes something seem evil and groundbreaking, not a positive mechanic.

Argue less about the term exploit, and more about how these games are ****** halo ripoffs

Just because it's too hard to fix or the devs were too scared of community backlash to remove it doesn't mean it isn't terrible.





BTW, even I cringed at the Halo comment.

Probably because they ARE Halo ripoffs.

The original FPS.

If there were a small set of professional rules that I agree with in theory but have chosen not to pursue because they conflict with more common play, then an official "pro mode" might make sense. -- John Carmack

Bunnyhopping isn't an exploit, it originated from a bug (NOT exploit) but was considered canonical pretty soon -- to the point where strafejumping was an intentional feature in the following Quake titles.

Learn your history son