Explosive Shots - This nonsense needs to end

That's because the shotgun in MNC works quite a bit differently than in most games. I just did some private match testing on the shotgun and came up with a few interesting results.

In most games, a shotgun works by placing a random spread of bullets within the aiming reticule. In MNC, the shotgun's bullet effects are random, however the actual damage spread is not. I found that covering an opponent with half of the reticule did less damage that covering the opponent with the entire reticule, but the damage was always consistent, indicating no random spread. The range at which the shotgun is fired is the only other factor in the damage done. Even more interesting, I found that the actual spread of the shotgun is much smaller than the reticule. The actual spread is smaller than the reticule when using gold accuracy.

Incidentally, gold accuracy seems to do nothing at all other than change the size of the reticule. It does not increase the damage the shotgun does at any range, and I really don't think that it has any effect at all on the spread of the bullets.

I didnt' say that, Bro did.... just clearing up that misquote.

As for people using gold accuracy on the support I saw a guy who had been using it since day one. He was rather good at getting kills too I might add.

Laugh if you wish... it's fine if you can't hit bots across the map without your scope.

And the smg does have a tiny reticle; I don't see what's so funny here. You could nearly place the smg's reticle in the center ring of the gunner's reticle and not have them overlap.

You're comparing a default endorsement setup with no accuracy endorsements to a default endorsement setup with a silver accuracy endorsement.

I'm sure he was, it doesn't mean that it was actually helping him. There are lots of good players that used to, or still do, run a gunner or assault with gold RoF even though there is little difference between it and silver RoF for those classes.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this. Why would you want to no scope bots from across the map? No scopes only do a faction of the damage that a scoped in shot does.

That's true, the SMG reticule is pretty much the same size as the minigun reticule, only a tiny bit smaller, but I don't think that most people consider the minigun reticule to be tiny, or even small.

Actually I'm comparing the sniper smg's reticle to the gunner's minigun reticle. I wasn't using an accuracy endorsement for either class.

I just told you it was helping him... he was getting lots of shotgun kills every game. After the last patch I'm going to guess that RoF is slightly better than gold accuracy because one affects the heal gun and the other does not.

More hits = more juice. I know it's getting changed but right now it's good to take longer to kill bots. This lets you play the juiced smg rape card over and over again. If you need to kill them quickly you can, and if you want to take longer you can do that too.

The inner ring of the smg reticle is a dot. The inner ring of the minigun reticle is a pretty good sized circle. They're not really about the same size.

What point am I trying to make? If you're used to the spread on the smg then I'm sure you think it's not very accurate. I'm rather accustomed to hitting people with minigun splatter, so using the "inaccurate" smg is not difficult. Were we not talking about the spread of bullets? The size of the reticle is directly related to how far the bullets stray off target. Using accuracy decreases the size of your reticle and as a result puts more bullets on target.

Despite my overwhelming urge to reply to those first two statements of his which are so temptingly inane, I must channel this into another pursuit:

PohTayToez; Please, just stop talking to him. It really isn't worth it. Unless your just doing it for fun, or to pass the time, then by all means. If you're trying to have a logical discussion, it seems you're wasting your time.

You're arguing with me on stuff that I have actually bothered to test out for myself in a private match. I compared the SMG reticule to the minigun reticule, and I tested out accuracy on the shotgun. At this point I don't care if you believe me or not, but if you don't you're just being ridiculously delusional.

I'm not trying to be contrary. For the most part I am agreeing with you.

Just be aware that there are times when you can use accuracy over rate of fire and increase your damage as a result.

I have also done quite a bit of testing to optimize my builds. This includes private matches and live games.


I just measured the center ring for the gunner's reticle and it measures in at 3 cm on my television. The dot on the sniper's smg is 3 mm across.