Discussion in 'PA: TITANS: General Discussion' started by exodusesports, August 18, 2015.
Wrong. Read thingys better before making these accusations. That's just rude.
Read what? They just released an expansion that makes the game inches closer to their original kickstarter goal. This expansion costs money to those of us that were backers since the kickstarter, people that paid for 1 and a half triple A titles to support the developers in making the game a reality. And now? They are charging the same backers AGAIN for the finished product. Why don't you seem the least bit disturbed by this behavior?
Must I spell it out? The company said they wanted to create the game. They accepted tons of money to start the project, easily twice as much as any of us would pay at release. They made almost all of their money before the game "came out", and pocketed the extra 30 bucks they got. The product that we received was completely unfinished, laughably really. They met only... what, half of their stretch goals at release? And now, instead of giving those that paid one and a half the price of a normal triple A the rest of their game, they want MORE money for the finished product, passing it off as DLC content.
Read what the terms of agreement were. I can post a really lengthy post with stuff that Titans has which was never promised.
And no they're not charging their backers again. They gave Titans away to 50.000 backers (I think) as a thank you. Thats why I'm not disturbed. I'm more disturbed by the fact that people keep creating their own higher expectations and saying that that was promised to deliver and thus a company is called greedy. Which is a shame really cause if they really were they wouldn't gave it out for free to kickstarter backers and stopped development as soon as they said it was released.
They made almost all of there stretchgoals except for the multiplayer galactic war thingy. plus don't forget that they added some extra content that was never promised (the advanced system editor as an example and thank god its in).
So please don't spell it out. Put that effort into reading what you buy
But hey if you really feel like you're right and I'm wrong then contact them about it or make a nice case out of it. You might get lucky if you really got something solid.
Well, I have time. So why not.
Primary Goal- Barely completed. Poorly made game with hundreds of bugs ranging from graphical mess to restart your game, there's no ignoring this. Even before the playable release (after the kickstarter succeeded and I signed on) the project seemed unprofessional, and once the playable release DID come out it had a youtube video for an intro. This stayed with it. Never mind that the DLC added unit variety sorely lacking in the base-game, adding further to the amount that it finished a half-finished product.
Naval Units and Water Planets- Hahahaha, I guess they made right on this one. But seriously? 200,000 dollars to make some naval units with roughly the same purpose and skin as ground units?
And that's ignoring that the naval game is trash tier if you aren't on one of the more water infested planets. And that's how I would describe it.
Gas Giants and Oribital units- Barely existent up until DLC release, where they add in the orbital units needed to call it a feature instead of a gimmick. Somehow bombing planets with asteroids got done as if it was part of this milestone even though the concept art shows it. Some cool orbital mechanics, nothing like what was promised.
Metal and Lava planets- Another big haha. Another 200,000 dollars for a remesh.
Galactic War- Still waiting on this one. Is the campaign ever supposed to be finished or am I supposed to believe that the skirmish battles that you fight on a galaxy map are "missions" and that I'm "progressing" by beating the very poorly programmed AI a bunch of times?
Have you ever played the original Battlefront? Do you think that Galactic Conquest is a "campaign" too?
Full Orchestral Score- I'm going to assume I can lump John Patrick Lowrie in with this? Not delivered. Not in the slightest. And the "Orchestral Sound?" It sounds like any soundtrack for any strategy game worth rubbing two cents together for. I can praise sound tracks for games like CK2. You aren't going to hear it for this.
Planetary Documentation- Yeah... Not delivered. Even though the game has been officially released for over a year.
Would you like me to go on to dev promises next, and detail everything left out that was said during development? I'd love to see Planetary Documentary actually, it would make my job so much easier.
Oh wait. It's not out.
So the final tally.
Completed features- 2
Half-baked features- 2
Unfinished features (not delivering promised features)- 2
It just shows that you never actually read the kickstarter with what the game is actually about. I hear you complaining about a feature thats 200.000 . Why buy the game and complain afterward.
Fine I have some time then too specially for you
Thats subjective. I've enjoyed the base game a lot. But if you're going to compare it with supcom then yeah its not that much. Then again they never promised a specific amount of units so that too is delivered. They never said anywhere there would be experimentals or lobbers or I dunno something. In the end you could build a base build a nice army composition and kill your foes. Sound Harsh huh?
200.00 dollars it was and you bought it too so why so surpised afterwards? And naval plays completely different then land. It is the strongest force you can have and naval bases can be the most turtliest bases in PA history.
Barely in it is in the end still in it. Again there wasn't really a list of we're gonna hand over these amount of orbital units and this amount of orbital gameplay. To be honest the only orbital gameplay in the video was some fabricator harvesting minerals from asteroids and building a halley to explode the planet. We got even more in the end.... I'm surprised by this too btw
why buy the game then?
I agree its poorly executed. Its not a true campaign but then again it never said anywhere it would? Haven't played battlefront either so can't talk about that with you. Anyways I only liked the starcraft campaign in RTS history. So I can't really argue with that .
That is really really rude to say dude. The orchestral score is amazing and adds so much more atmosphere. The thing is: if you haven't heard both version then yeah you have no clue with how much difference it gives. If you really want to then I can try and search for both version cause the difference is phenomenal.
Yeah I agree that would be good. There is however a roadmap that shows the deadline on the second of februari
So the final tally: They actually never promised that much. You're complaigning about features that cost 200.000 dollars which already were set in stone and given money for so why pay for the game then? It just shows that you had no clue with what you bought for that amount of money and thus here you come afterwards complaining about things you assumed were in.
The difference between you and me? Expectations. Where I waited till the game really was shaping up into something and being able to get it for €45 you on the other hand bought it earlier for 90 dollar with no idea what you really bought.
indeed GG no RE pls.
They made a fun game and yes it was with up's and downs.
The problem is you said to yourself this is a bad game and i'm gonna prove it.
Yes the comet smashing was not like they originally showed but if you followed they went to hell to try and make it work and they gave an alternative option. they could also just leave them out.
The problems started when they went to steam (but thats how i got it). The steam community all grouped togerther like a boycot to make this game look as bad as possible. And even with all that effort to stop pa they still have a lobby with always games to play. The game does not feel buggy at all, the only thing that you can say is that multiple worlds can be confusing. Even with large scale battles over large scaled worlds runs smoothly without problems.
So if you with the today build have a problem with pa just don't play cuzz it's grinded into your head whilst this is a very good and (almost) well balanced game.
For example i am a fan of space engineers who have been rewarded with indie game of the year. they even don't have a decent working multiplayer and hase more bugs then features, still people love it(sure as hell did not deserve the award in it's current state). Where would they be if they had the same community as the one you are supporting?
for short pa is a very well game that is a worthy sequal to games in it's theme (aka supreme commander total annihalation). And the visuals are maybe less but he makes it up good in gameplay and run speed.
And if u don't like the music then change it.
p.s. ever seen how low titans get's priced sometimes?
You can hardly call that greedy!
There are a lot of games costs double that much and give you but a quarter of what this game gives...
I backed this game's development with 90 buck before the alpha was out, got promised all future updates, and now I have to BUY titans???? I feel reall cheated now; especially because the original game was ABSOLUTELY BORING so i stopped following it completely. I hope Uber Ent goes bankrupt.
I'd love to see where it said that on the game's Steam listing page.
If u backed it you don't have to buy titans...
Because when you support a kickstarted project you expect to get the project goals. And you admit that we didn't. So why are we even arguing?
Also, I must mention that it is now February 8th.
I had an idea of what I was buying, I haven't even gotten into dev statements yet. That's the five sentence synopsis of the kickstarter. You'd be hard pressed to defend half of the items blatantly not put into the game in dev diaries. But if they released it, my job would be easier wouldn't it?
The difference between you and me is indeed expectations. I expect to get a finished product when I fund a kickstarter. You expect to get nothing. And I have no idea why that is. Maybe you are made of money.
A clear sign of having misunderstood kickstarter.
Though to be fair to Uber, they did deliver a finished product. That it doesn't match the original design 100%, well that's game design. Congratulations, you got to see how the sausage is made.
Love the metaphore. It amuse me and scares me at the same time :s
It depends on the sausage in question. I have no issue with how a good quality sausage gets made, a cheap hot dog sausage which contains 'meat' (no animal specified) on the other hand you're probably best not to ask.
In that context PA is a high quality sausage. They've made it all from scratch (custom engine rather than an 'out of a packet' variety). The fact some don't like the final flavour, well I guess that's personal preference and I think it's important to distinguish between things that are actually wrong vs things that a user personally dislikes.
... I think I over stretched the analogy a bit lol.
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