EULA Prohibits Modding

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  1. lokiCML

    lokiCML Post Master General

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    If you're thinking ESRB ratings. That would give Planetary Annihilation a rating of Teen (13 & up) were M (Mature) would be ages 17 and higher. Which makes sense due to the boxed version of PA that is going to retailers. If they're going through the rating process they should also throw these informative descriptors on it as well. (E.g.Users Interact, Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB):)

    http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp
  2. Mooninaut

    Mooninaut New Member

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    "Derive source code" means turn a binary back into source code, not read plain text files that are already in source code format. The context "reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, or decompile" makes that abundantly clear. There is no reverse engineering involved in reading a text file.

    Mods are no more derivative works of the base game than an IE browser plugin is a derivative work of Internet Explorer. The only issue arrives is if you distribute modified versions of game files. A good mod system doesn't have to require that. The devs have already discussed adding features that allow mods to hook in to the UI without having to shadow core files with modified versions. That's necessary to allow multiple mods to coexist anyway. If, and only if, mods have to distributed modified game files is the EULA an issue.

    Now, Uber should have a published, unambiguous mod policy. But the majority of issues people have brought up with the current EULA are not actual problems.
  3. lokiCML

    lokiCML Post Master General

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    Agreed; consider that a brain fart.
    Disagree, in the context of this game the majority of mods are derivative works and must be allowed by Uber entertainment. Through their standard form contract (EULA is not a copyright license; It is a contract which is why you have consent to EULA. This can be demonstrated by multiple provisions such as restricting you to a specific jurisdiction in the United States and the age requirements. there are many other examples in the contract) which governs what you can and cannot do with PA. The EULA needs to permit modding for the reason that is not allowed without the explicit grant by them. the game is designed to allow shadowing of core files as seen in this post. They're not only distributing modified game files that is the practice (of the modding community) and how Uber designed the modding system for now also there are providing those hooks into the engine as well.
    I absolutely agree with you on the first part; second part do not agree with. Uber should do the same with their art assets, trademark, etc. They should have some kind of unambiguous community use and guidelines policy to resolve issues before they arise.

    (I am more than willing to change my mind on these issues. Only if people can provide reasonable proof to the contrary that can be backed up.:))

    Edit: altered first post.
    Last edited: June 16, 2014
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