Do you think beta/gamma balance was better than now?

Discussion in 'Balance Discussions' started by Killerkiwijuice, February 12, 2015.

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Beta 1v1 Balance VS Current 1v1 Balance?-

  1. Beta 1v1 was near perfect

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  2. Beta 1v1 was better, with some huge issues though, including the T2 rush phase

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  3. Undecided

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  4. The current 1v1 balance is near perfect

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  5. The current 1v1 balance is better, with huge issues like t1 air spam on large maps

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    48.1%
  1. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    Well I don't doubt you can always find some people who complain. I definitely never agreed with their complaints and never saw anyone actually giving a good reasoning why it is bad. All I can remember is a few, not many, complaints in the sense of "sim city meh" or "expand or die meh" with nothing more bad these meaningless words. Why is it bad? I think that stuff was soooo good we don't even need to discuss it was good. Does sugar taste well? Yeah it does. If you disagree please explain your thoughts in details I can understand. Can't remember anyone writing anything meaningful that made me think "they have a point" in that regard. At all.
  2. Quitch

    Quitch Post Master General

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    I'm not saying that I agree with them, I was simply pointing out that not everyone loved the things philoscience raised.
  3. Clopse

    Clopse Post Master General

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    Yeah I never liked not having the option to raid effectively nor do I like not having timings to go t2. There is no insentive at the minute to rush t2 in land games. It's a fine line that I would love if tvinita finds like he done with naval. Larger maps promote t2 more too.
  4. cdrkf

    cdrkf Post Master General

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    I think I can sum up this thread in three words:

    Rose Tinted Spectacles
  5. philoscience

    philoscience Post Master General

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    For sure to some degree. But I tried to account for this in my post. I still standby what I said - I think the main thing we rememebr fondly was the sprawling expand or die gameplay. Most of the rest of balance was shyte. I never said everyone liked it (obviously impossible!), was just pointing out that I think it is this key feature we're talking about when we reminisce about beta. Back then we used T2 (but too much), and we had to expand like hell. It would be nice to see a balance where t1, t2, and expansion are all viable even in 1v1 scenarios.
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  6. stuart98

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    The Beta Balance predates the OP expansion meta as its mex had a cost of 300.
  7. zihuatanejo

    zihuatanejo Well-Known Member

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    T2 timing viability. Yes please.
  8. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    There is always somebody who likes something. He/she may come out and defend their views :)
  9. Tripod27

    Tripod27 Active Member

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    I just checked the first post I ever made on this forum, and it was a thread I made about T1 units being useless, mostly because commander uber cannon spam every second and a commander being able to build walls and turrets while ubercannoning every second, with turrets being way too effective against T1 and useless against T2

    Apparently back then my strat was building 8 vanguards and some aa (either spinners or fighters, probably spinners since it means I have to build one less factory) and just thrown them at the enemy base while they're busy actually trying to use T1.

    Bonus points if their T1 army tries to avoid my 8 vanguards to snipe my commander, at which point I chain fire them with my belt-fed uber cannon while building walls and turrets and take out their 100 tier 1 army in seconds while barely taking any damage

    Definitely don't have the best memories of balance back them, vanguard rush annihilation got boring fast
  10. stuart98

    stuart98 Post Master General

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    That wasn't beta balance.
  11. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    "beta balance" is a pretty pointless thing actually. I am pretty sure there were a lot of balance changes during beta as well.
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  12. stuart98

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    The biggest change before the carpet bombers (Which effectively killed Beta Balance) was the introduction of the light laser tower. It really didn't change much at all for a long while.
  13. Quitch

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    Yeah, that's my bad. T2 rush was gamma.
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  14. Killerkiwijuice

    Killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    Alright, well then just to clarify I meant the balance during Master of May tournament and that kind of era.

    Does anyone know how to balance air on large 1v1 maps? What about without including new units :p
  15. stuart98

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    Then congratsulmacations good sir, you have lost everyone and made everyone hate you by calling the heresy that was Gamma Balance the great golden perfection that was Beta Balance.

    Don't do that.
  16. Killerkiwijuice

    Killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    Well since gamma was still beta i think my argument still stands. I was hoping people were going to assume that beta included gamma.

    Also, the Supernova Showdown.
  17. stuart98

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    Gamma was not beta. Gamma was Gamma.

    Just admit that you dub durped, fix the OP, and pm a mod to fix the poll.
  18. Dementiurge

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    If you remember that patch where Scathis was all "T2 is going to make 81 metal!" and everyone was all "Nooooo!" and Scathis was all "YESSSSS!" and a month later everyone was all "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" and Scathis was like "fiiiiine :|", was that in beta or gamma?
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  19. Killerkiwijuice

    Killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    That was in Bemma.
  20. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    Gamma > Beta... I think. Not sure. Most of those had a lot of proxies. I like proxies.
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