Assassins Juice Rate - It Makes Puppies Cry

And when the planets align, and a twin-tailed comet streaks across the sky, and Duncan's horses eat each other, I shall play with a competent team while playing on my own in random matches.

I've had it happen like, twice. Suck it.

I was too busy getting crowned at Scone those times.

Seems to me like these Assassins play like faggots then pretend to be nice on the forums so everyone points the finger at the one calling them out. The way some Assassins play is just as cowardly as pre-patch Snipers and Supports hiding in their base for juice.

Yeah it is. It shouldn't be a problem if both teams are incompetent, anyway. Assassin could already get juice faster than sniper and Support pre-patch, and Sniper and Support got nerfed. How about the Assassin? Nah, let's just let her have juice in no time at all. A competent team can stop a juiced Assassin, and a competent team can stop an Assassin from even getting juice, but how many times can they do it? They have to exert so much effort while the Assassin just runs up and kills bots.

i just wana put this out there. snipers spray the bot lanes with explosive rounds.

^this is why as little as it makes sense, explosive rounds NEED to work on allied bots, its for balance and not sense. its the best of 3 tools that keeps assassins off of bots, as well as map control, and escorting bots.

Bolded replies, and as for having "randoms" on your team, I have two solutions for you. Don't go in with these... "randoms" and go in with a team like I now do, or communicate with these... "randoms" and say something to get it done right. To be quite frank, if you're on the other team, I don't know who you are, but all I know is you're on the other team which makes you a team even if it's with a bunch of... "randoms" so act like it and play. If you can't do either of those, don't be disapoint when you lose. If you're content with losing then how about you just have some fun and shrug it off with a good game?

/lol wutermelon

OK, I'll bite.

Syd and I both called you out on Juice-chaining, or "faggot tactics" to put it crudely. Thus, people do have a basis for making these assumptions about you.

This thread isn't about Juice being overpowered, or about Juiced Assassins being unstoppable. I know how to stop Assassins when they're Juiced - as you noted, I showed you a few times, which meant I was your first target every time you Juiced from then on. I didn't see the Support try to Grapple you, I didn't see the Gunner try to Grapple or Slam you, I didn't even see the other Tank, and Assassins get ripped up too easily for effective CC. I made this thread because I saw an Assassin juice at least 9 times in a single 12 minute-ish match between Juice dispensers and farming Bots. Juice is supposed to crack a base open, not to be used as a crutch for crappiness - you went 16-10 in spite of your constant Juicing, IIRC.

And please, stop referring to our "defensive team". We lost our turrets in the opening few minutes because our Support was AFK and the rest of our team was garbage, which, understandably, made me play defensively until the ball went back up, which took a long time thanks to Zatchmo stinging it every few seconds. We never had anything more than a LVL2 Rockit thanks to Assassins tearing them down. As for "team", mic-less randoms does not a team make.

Surely you can agree that it is overpowered for one class to be able to Juice as often as you did? Please PM me, for I fear that your herpaderpitude and inability to let people slander your good name on the Internet will get this thread locked.



If you won't listen to me, at least listen to the kitty.

Learn when to call it quits my friend. Wasn't talking to you, and I was talking about the Assassin juicing. Which isn't that easy if you have a competent team to prevent the Assassin from attacking your bots.

Feel free to continue being a jerk because you're butthurt. :lol:

Take my advice little one. Don't blame your teammates for your failure. And don't lie about it. You yourself in a previous post said you didn't have a support(he was an assault at the start) till later.

My favorite thing about this thread is that you assume too much. You were never my target. I don't pick who to harass. You just happen to be the only one trying to fight. Poorly, but you tried. Kudos to you. Better luck next time. Perhaps you can use that microphone and ask for some help.

As it's been said a few times bby myself and another. I don't always play like that(in fact I rarely play like that unless it's a turtle team), so your assumptions, again, wrong.

The main objective in this game is to guide your bots to the money ball. Far be it for me to destroy your bots because you can't defend them. This isn't a slayer game like CoD, it's an objective arcade game. It's about fun and the objective. Mind you, to prevent a swift chaos on the enemy and get some enjoyment, I play to slay and avoid excessive juice.

The assassin has the weakest armor in the game. You had two tanks. Both of which were pretty bad. Not your fault, it takes time to develop skill at killing the weakest class before it gets better out in the open. :lol:

You let the enemy gain the edge because you didn't understand the point of the game to guide the bots and defend your money ball. You stuck to defending and you did poorly but you had enough men to ensure I couldn't get a grapple kill without a swift end, in result I juiced and wiped you all out time and time again.

In case you were un-aware, I decided to flip on the jerk switch myself and have called you out on your poor gameplay. Go ahead and post another image with your oh-so clever argument, and do me a favor and quit sending me private messages. Now take your cat's advice to prevent further embarassment.

My last and final post in this topic. Defend thy E-peen till your hearts content! :roll:

I truly cannot wait for Xbox to receive the Assassin juice nerf. That'll sort the men from the boys

Guys, please keep it on topic and stop the ad hominem attacks. Balancing is always a hot topic, but there is no need for insults.

i agree with this lmao. anywho, everybody listen. wana stop someone who uses juice as a crutch? spray your bots, and theirs too, with explosive rounds. if you cant snipe, you can still do this, it doesnt take skill. this keeps them off of bot juice, and if you prevent the first juice then you prevent pretty much all of them.

get a tank following each bot lane. they start slashing, deathblossom and charge.

get an assault on each bot lane, have them ready to shoryuken (charge 3), or hadouken (bomb 2 or higher), any assassins out of the ring.

they juice on bots. defend those. even with a horrible team, if they also are a bad team that happens to have a cheap assassin juicer, just shut him down with sniper fire on the bots, and your crappy team may win against his.

ALSO, i do NOT believe assassin juice rate is a problem for high level play. any good team vs a good team wont let assassins juice. its too easy to stop them since they have to get so close to bots. since their health is still low even when juiced, its so easy to stop them even when juiced (3 shotgun blasts still kill them)

if they do get a nerf, it deserves to be around the sniper's juice gain rate. not like the gunners or assault LOLOLOLOL do us a favor uber devs, dont drop the nerf hammer so hard this time.

Maybe you didn't read the thread...

That Assassin Overdosed, and still didn't manage to go huge. However, he would have been a considerable nuisance in that game, so he must be called out on his juice production. On the other hand, the Assassin must try to defend himself by claiming that DEM TANKS ARE HARD TU KILL. When an enemy team plays defence, how is an Assassin expected to kill them? lolcloke

Insults are totally necessary here Both sides R MAD, so it negates?

From what I understand...

1. Assassin juices, shields go down

2. Psycho's team go into defence

3. Assassin juices again before shields go up, Zatch is shooting DAT BALL

4. Repeat steps 2 and 3

5. ???

6. Profit

You weren't talking about the rate at which she gets Juice, you were blaming people for not defending their bots, which is backwards logic. The other two frequent Juicers - Sniper and Support - both had their Juice rate nerfed, yet the Assassin didn't?

Oh dear. Am I being a jerk? I apologise.

Honestly, the only thing I remember about that game was the near-constantly Juiced Assassin. Forgive me for forgetting some of the details. Surely in a team-based game some of the blame rests on my teammates? And, as you said yourself, I was the only one trying to fight. Condescending remarks are cool and edgy.

And my least favourite thing is that you looked at a thread about the Juice rate of the Assassin and saw a thread about your Assassin skills. Really? You never thought "maybe I should take out the only guy who's fighting back"? What an interesting tactic. I'm sorry you felt I fought back poorly, we'll see if I can ever reach your high standards in the FraggedNations tournie.

I didn't say you always play like that. The way you played in that match showed me how ridiculous the Assassin's Juice rate is - you can play whatever way you want, as far as I'm concerned. However, I don't like how you try to justify it with this whole "turtle team" thing, and I don't like the way you keep ignoring my questions, but whatever.

I'm glad you saw it fit to give us helpless peons a chance. Bless you, kind sir.

Oh, your witty barbs, how they puncture my soul. Although I don't understand what "before it gets better out in the open" means, and since this is your final post in this thread, I guess I'll never know.

I like how, in a team-based game, it's all my fault. Once again, thanks for the criticism, we'll see if I can ever reach your high standards in the FraggedNations tournie.

I think my oh-so-clever argument was oh-so-valid, but obviously not. I had noticed, and I am typing this through tears. Curse you, Robo Ninja. Curse you.

##E-PEEN DEFENSE: SUCCESSFUL##

I was hoping for your opinion on the Assassin's Juice rate, as per the title of this thread. Do you think it's too fast?

Fix'd.

The anger here...it hurts.

I don't know if I'll help or hurt things here (or if I'm part of the discussion anymore), but since I was mentioned, I do feel compelled to add.

Basically my code for this game is to always make a conscious effot to never kill-farm, and to not take the game too seriously. Juice-whoring...I do it. I definitely admit that I do it. But I don't really know what to say; I consider it part of the game. Considering the massive number of terrible Assassins, I would like to point out that it's not necessarily easy; it does take skill to do it properly, especially with the growing number of people realizing that grappling a juiced Assassin generally means death for them (the Assassin). Maybe this isn't the issue, and if so, I apologize for bringing it up.

Whatever the case, I'll keep playing how I play, and everyone else will keep playing how they play. There will always be people that consider various things that others do to be ****-ish.

I hope that this doesn't cause bad blood between me and anyone else here.

On a side-note, I feel special being mentioned. Must mean that I'm getting to be half-decent at this game. :lol:

it does and it sounds like your slightly better than most at the least.

you might be really good or not. id hafta see how well you do if i made sure to counter-juice you, make the bot lanes hot, and set up turrets right.

Einarath, you're grand. I regret naming specific people, but believe me, you were nowhere near as bad as Robot Ninja. I'm not angry, I just enjoy writing futile arguments on the Internet.

I just think it's ridiculous that one class can get Juice so quickly and be so deadly with it.

On average, how many Bots would you have to kill before you had Juice? 5-6 waves or less?

Name drops aren't always a good thing.
I'm not saying that in this case, it's not, but I'm not saying that it is, either.

Just to be perfectly clear, however, I WILL say that Juice-rushing does not a good Assassin make.
It's easy to get anything done as ANY class if you're constantly Juiced, and it doesn't take much skill to do it (since Juice buffs your power level to OVER 9000).

But I suppose knowing the "technique" (if it can even so be called) of Juice-chaining makes one a sliver smarter than the average random Assassin since one would know that it's possible to do what most random Assassins attempt to do (that is, run into an enemy base blindly swinging a sword and actually expect to get something done).

But that doesn't make it a good option.

Especially to a self-proclaimed "Objective-based" Assassin (I don't mean you when I say this, haha).

However, to me, you were just kind of...there. I didn't notice you doing anything out of the ordinary. So I've no qualms with you. You weren't a major nuisance to our situation, but of course, since you know what you're doing, you weren't helping it either, haha.

Okay, so, you're saying we should balance the games around pub matches. Got it.