Assassin complaints about Snipers...

It would be better if the ice traps could be triggered by precise fire.

Lol. Yeah it happens. Thanks Bam. And likewise

^This is yet another great solution. A few seconds of immunity would work.

Anyone actually reading this? lol

I'm reading it

Constructive discussion, that's good....and is all I was really looking for. Most complaints come of as "waaaa...this isn't fair, change it"....and while I am not sure I agree, the assassin argument makes a little more sense now, even if I don't agree. I would like to hear one of the developers weigh in on this,though.

But the Assassin is already overpowered. That would just break the game.

While I disagree that the Assassin is overpowered, that was the sarcastic point of the statement. It doesn't make sense to have a character that is better at sniping then the Sniper, there shouldn't be someone as good at grapple killing then the Assassin.

I mainly play sniper, and probably play assassin second most, so I can give a little insight from both sides. As a sniper, protecting yourself against assassins is my number one priority. I always upgrade to two traps at the very beginning. When sniping, I always either have traps covering any possible routes to my current point, or I'm simply standing within the range of two or three overlapping traps. Using the first method a clever assassin can jump over a trap if they see it, but using the second method I'm nearly 100% protected from assassins.

Now, having said that, I'll tell you what I do to counter snipers as an assassin. Most snipers I've seen don't use the overlapping traps method, so as an assassin you're just going to want to locate the sniper's traps and jump over them. They're normally placed in pretty obvious locations, just think where you would place them if you were the sniper and wanted to protect any routes leading to you. However, even if they are standing in the middle of a trap, it's still possible for you to grapple them. If you jump and land right next to them, you can grapple while frozen. This is a pretty difficult maneuver, made even more difficult if the sniper is strafing as he should be, however I have had some limited success with this. The second method if you get frozen next to the sniper is to throw down a smoke bomb. While he recovers, you thaw out, and then you can face him one on one on even grounds. Also, it seems worth noting that snipers are normally one hit kills even when grappled from the front.

Now, looking at this it seems a bit uneven on the assassin's side. It's pretty easy for a sniper to protect against assassins, but very hard for an assassin to kill a properly protected assassin. However, there is one more thing you need to factor in when you're considering assassins vs. snipers. The assassin is a very, very difficult target for the sniper to hit. Unless one is running right at you, standing still, or in the middle of a grapple, they're nearly impossible targets. Assassins dash everywhere, and are cloaked much of the time, easily making them the hardest targets to snipe. So if you look at the two classes, the sniper is the best at defending against the assassin, but the assassin is the hardest target for the sniper to hit, it should balance out. Too be honest, a skilled assassin and a skilled sniper on opposing teams should mostly ignore each other.

Now, if assassins can't take out snipers, then who should? I would say that the assault is probably the best anti-sniper. The assault can charge through traps for a one hit kill, and his rifle and bombs make very short work of the sniper.

Yeah, if I see a trap placed near a sniper, I just leave him alone.

IMO, I still think it's weird that snipers are better at close range. Snipers can easily hit assassins with explosive damage when the assassin is destroying bots at long range, but the assassin has NO chance at killing a sniper if he's sitting on traps. The shuriken is good, until they take one step to the side.

After the patch though, the assassin can't take out supports because of not being able to cloak during a grapple, they can't take out tanks, and they can't take out snipers.

Whatever, at least reach is coming out

Second method doesn't work if its a level 3 trap. It has skill drain and grapple drain, feel free to swing your dagger/katana at him while he gets ready to OHKO you with his grapple.

Wait, are you serious? They're patching that?

MNC Community, here me out.

If they patch this game, so that assassins cant go back into cloak while grappling, it will be the worst class in the game.

That is one of the most important survival tools to the assassin. In order to eliminate a threat in the enemy base prior to destroying the turrets you need to do this. Now turrets will kill you. If you thought killing a sniper camping inside of spawn was hard before, if you're lucky enough to land a grapple, hello turret, bye assassin. Tanks already destroy you, and after patch support can just sit there and let your grapple him from behind and you'll be dead from his firebase before he will. You have very little health and you will be even more exposed if this patch thing is true.

Alright, I'll go ahead and say it, if they're patching this then all of you who are actually good at and enjoy playing assassins, start using the sniper. He can do the exact same thing just a whole lot better. He's able to kill every class equally without having to put himself in harms way. He can also kill bots and turrets quickly. In fact, he can kill pro's, especially lane clearing assassins and turret hacking supports just by shooting the bots and turrets they're close to. He can kill pros without even hitting them. lol. And we already discussed his close combat setup. The Sniper will be THE premiere assassin and the assassin (IF this patch exists) will be a suicide class.

If you think there are alot of people who have negative K/D ratios as assassins now, wait till after this patch. Its a class that has a steep learning curve, but it seems it'll just be an easy to kill class by default after the patch. Sure "The game isn't about high K/D ratios, its about team play" but, who decided you couldn't do both?

Well Rawfulll, if its true, it was fun while it lasted, I'll see you on Reach.

I have a 3 K/D ratio as an Assassin and after the patch, im calling it quits with playing as an Assassin, that patch is just a joke for Assassins, they will never be able to do anything inside the enemy's base. So now if any sniper ever, EVER has more than 1 death.. even if they have 1 death, they should re-roll because they'll be playing their class wrong.

Assassin:
Fixed Assassins from being able to get permanent sprint and super speed.
Fixed Assassins getting a double smoke bomb allowing them to jump higher than intended.
Fixed Assassins being able to cloak during a grapple.
Fixed Assassins from being able to use her smoke bomb during a lunge.
Retuned damage done by dagger after a lunge.

I probably will go Sniper until the 14th, get my snipe on my reach u no.

Yeah I can see each Shuriken having a scope on it.. XD not to mention the slow motion kill of the shuriken moving to the target.. (Kind of like the slow motion batarang's in Batman AA if you hit RB with the gadget equiped)

Yeah, my life time k/d is 700, (I had a horrible first week) but usually it's 1+ nowadays. I tried this evening playing it without cloaking while assassinating. Totally worthless class. If they go through with that in the patch, I'm just going to start playing as a Sniper and hope it's just as fun.

LOL @ Sniper being fun.

get used to using freeze traps, that's all I have to say.

Just thought here, but is it possible that the patch will cause Assassins to play in ways that they hadn't thought of before, since their primary "tactic" has been altered? This doesn't necessarily need to be a negative thing...but most assassins seem to use limited tactics and focus more on Pros rather than pushing lanes and destroying turrets. Perhaps, just perhaps, the "fix" will make the assassin part of the team rather than a "deathmatch" player in a team game (and I know that EVERY class has many players with the deathmatch mentality...it just seems like the assassin class attracts more of them).

I just know that I've complained about patches for other games in the past only to find out once it was released that things weren't quite as bad as I had thought or that I came up with different tactics that made me a better player overall.

Any decent assassin already pushes lanes.

Agreed, but you must get frustrated at the amount of worthless ones who just want to look "cool". I love having a good assassin on my team.

We're going really deep with the apologetics now, aren't we?

Are you kidding? Freeze traps are the most fun part about being a sniper. I love hearing the crackling of ice and turning around to see a cloaked assassin frozen in place, just begging to be grappled. Even better is having someone chase you down thinking they have you, only to be lead straight into a trap where they will take an easy headshot.