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Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

None of the usual damage enhancing endorsements (rate of fire, reload speed, clip size) make a seizable difference over the course of a usual engagement.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

yeah, you're right. it relies on juice. the stealth/speed is tangential, but still there imo because it aids in effective juice use.

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Comparing the melee attack after a grapple to slam is not completely fair. It would be better to compare smoke bomb to slam and in that regard the assassin has the same problem: she can't smokebomb when she facestabbed someone, because she'll get grabbed right out of it. The gunner just has the problem that he can't do normal attacks quickly after a grapple. Your only bet is trying to jump and hope the Lag Gods accepted your offerings. Sometimes I managed to do a double grapple as a Gunner: first with the mortar and then with my skill. That was pretty hilarious .

Yeah, that also seems to be a lag issue and I'm glad I don't seem to be the only one having this. It's pretty stupid when you fire a product nade at a firebase, see it connect, only to discover that it somehow didn't get stunned. And then seeing the clusterbombs magically appear 4 meters behind it.

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Similar seemingly lag related issues happen with airstrikes all the time, I'll toss one and have time to go make myself a cup of tea before the graphic appears and it goes off.

In the meantime the rest of the game appears to be unaffected.

Loving new gunner grapple by the way, it's hilarious surviving a face grapple then beating the living crap out of the assassin in return.

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The only fact that most players take an armour endorsement almost only to not get instakilled by a front grapple is a bit dodgy imo, even if you can live without it makes a hell of a difference for a lot of classes (especially given the amount of assassins running around in pubs).

Now if there's a tank in his lane, or even an assault or gunner AoE spamming it, an assassin is not going to push or get juice much, but if your team has a stupid composition and newbies who don't know they should, or don't know how to kill bots (god the amount of gunners who think they're turrets and deploy in the wide open to shoot at the bots half way across the map with their minigun...), then an assassin with a clue will just constantly rape the base.

Honestly, apart from a few classes against each other it seems to me if you don't get the initial strike and you know the other guy is half decent (shooting from the right range and position mostly) it's always better to run the hell away.



Also I noticed that too with product nades and airstrikes, can be pretty annoying when on the receiving end too to have a delayed airstrike. About them airstrike is it intended that if you spam the hotkey you throw several at once?

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

Huh

Personally, I have no problems with assassins, but maining tank and support (mostly support!) I picked the two classes which, in my opinion, excel at dealing with them pesky sins. Often, a single point blank strike from the shotgun will take care of them and if you get grappled as a tank, just spam E and hope it's ready <.<

According to my career page i've killed more assassins than anything else... but then I don't play competitively...

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

The one thing I will say about the assassin that's overpowered is that it's too easy for her to single-handedly keep a moneyball down forever. But that's really more of an issue with how the moneyball shield timer works

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Most classes can do that though.

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not nearly as well

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Strange, when i play gunner i find sins to be free kills for me, i have grapple at lvl 2 for the throw, they fixed it in patch so that it can come out as an immediate counter to a grapple, i have never had a problem using it on a sin, it could be you are experiencing lag unless there is some kind of bug. Though you deserve to be punished if you are using a weak lvl1 grapple on a sin, having the throw is a must for sins.

The only class i fear as gunner is the sniper but hes the natural counter so its to be expected.


Best base defence are lvl3 iceshaves, it takes a long time to kill, if you give a sin enough time in your base to kill it then you deserve to be punished.

Also you need to escort your bots to enemy base, if you let the sin farm then expect to get juice rushed as punishment.


Sin feels like an amazing pro killer on pubs because most of the player base are new and feeding her free kills, she would get very few kills in an actual high level private game where everybody knows how to play their class.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

It's easy to wipe out assassins because most of them are idiots, BUT... you have to put a lot more effort and thought into staying alert, picking them out of cloak, and finishing them off before they successfully mash RMB enough times while holding forward to connect with a grapple.

To that end, I think it makes assassin a bit overpowered in terms of skill investment -- a more skilled player will thwart an assassin often but still lose to a lot of lucky grabs sometimes. But if you rebalance it so players don't all grab armor endorsements to survive lucky grabs, I'm not sure how you'd have to improve assassin to make up for it. It's already the best bot-clearer and juice builder.

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No.. not at all.. but this is my major arguement

Good against Pros, Good against bots, builds juice the fastest (except sniper who exclusively attempts to gain juice), and can use juice the best, lunge slice turret > lunge slice turret > lunge slice turret. And decent ranged against stationary structures + Smoke bomb escapes and high mobility.

Add that to the ability to aprroach the base/moneyball IN CLOAK with juice ready, which makes juice even more effective as there is no need to pre-pop juice to get into the base.

I just feel she has too many strengths, when her only real weakness's are stopping here from killing you if you know shes coming.. well I can stop ANYTHING from killing me if I know they are coming, if i'm actively looking for them.. especially the slower class's.

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Only vs. turrets while juiced.

Other than that she's fine imo.

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yes but you can build juice pretty fast, faster than most, and with smokebomb cloak, you can fall back when pressured, which means you don't die as often if you are ONLY farming juice, so while its true she only takes out turrets while juiced, she also is juiced far more often than other Pros.

If I want to take down a turret farm, I can say to my self.. ok turrets in 2 minutes you are gone.. I just think she should do less damage against Turrets, limiting her ability to grapple kill pros, would mean she had NO way to fight pros.. so thats not really an option..

Let her be the class that assassinates pros and takes down bots, and when juiced can run through a base takiing out any bots or pros she finds.. but letting her lunge > Kill multiple turrets is kinda OP IMO.. and it gets worse in over time, where if she has juice/buys juice she can approach the money ball in cloak and than juice up and deal massive damage to it. Other pros you atleast see coming before they are on your money ball.

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Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

You think you can stop a juice assassin from reaching the ball? They have smoke bomb to avoid you, however you can at least waste her 10 seconds of juice. Stopping any person from using their juice is pretty impossible. If they think they are almost going to die, they will just use it right there AND rush to the moneyball or w/e.

Can we please lock this? Where's the damn moderators? We needs you. This thread scream trollin'

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

I'm gonna tell you the same thing i told another guy in the steam forums.

Last night i jumped mid game on the DIG servers ans St0neh was there as an Sniper. It was Spunky Cola Arena and i decided to try to go balls out and hunt Pros instead of doing my job and all that happened was that i got counted grapple to oblivion by St0neh every time i tried to do something dumb. I tried to carelessly sneak, jump, cloak, but he wouldn't have any of it. Why? Because he's a good player and he understand what he has to do.

Now, im not a great Assassin player, maybe average at best, but currently i have 2,345 kills, 151 crossfire wins and a average 2.3 K/D ratio. Not that it means a lot on Pubs, but at least i think i have enough experience with her to safely say that she is fine as she is, and so is everyone else.

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WOW, angry or something? I never said I COULD stop an assassin juiced up from getting to the money ball, I actually said the exact opposite.

Seriously no one here is trolling, ive found most of what was said here to be useful, aside from this type of stuff and the blatent facepalm pictures.. I asked a question and got an answer, at no point did I demand a nerf or cry about assassins ruining games.

I simply stated that I feel that they have a few too many strengths given their weaknesses.

And If I SEE any pro coming for the money ball, I assume they have juice, or they wouldnt be charging in head strong.. I can easily (as an assassin, go for a sneak attack back stab and kill them before they pop), or as another class i can focus fire them forcing them to pop juice early. Now they have to essentially waist the time it take to get into position, thats not much but its something.

A SIN can simply cloak into perfect position and than pop out and juice when needed.. no waisted time on juice ever.. thats pretty huge in OVER TIME. which was the point of what I was saying there.

Perhaps thats the way its supposed to be..

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Heres the problem I have with this:

How can you say all that, and than use this experience to jusitfy your comment of "shes fine"

You joined half way through and playe recklessly against a good player, and focused on the one thing an assassin isnt amazing at, which is hunting down compitent players. Had you farmed bots for juice focused on controlling lanes, and advancing your bots, while assaulting their defenses, and only taken on pros that were alone or distracted, you would have done a lot better.

Sniper is the one class with a means to stop the assassin out right, and that is ironic, but kinda nice.. Snipers arent assassin fauder in this game like they usually are.. mostly because of ice trap.. the fact that they stand near its radius and fight from that makes them nearly impossible to backstab if they are smart, and if they now how to react to it, they can kill you quite easily. than again you can also avoid their sniping quite easily with cloak.. its a trade off they cant kill you you cant kill them (you are fast and hard to track and alot of times invisible) they are staitionary but defended by a rooting mine.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

No.