360 vs pc match

I used to absolutely HATE twitch based games. Then I played CPM. Literally every little thing in CPM has a well thought purpose, everything is there to make to game faster, more skill-based, make the control disparity smaller and to promote aggression. CPM is the epitome of the Arena FPS genre.

And yes, it is sad. See it from our perspective: every other shooter just feels boring, not as well designed and easy after you've played CPM (and I mean really play it, not mess around in Clan Arena for twenty minutes).

edit: as for your challenge Teapot, I live in EU. I currently don't own an XBox, so I have to decline your challenge anyway.

There's a reason why that opinion of Halo CE and way of thinking are in the vast minority

I don't think I've ever heard someone use "fast and skill based" as a way of disliking Halo CE due to its lack of

Chances are, you and I have very different definitions of fast paced and skill based.
This is fast paced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtSUeV1_tE

edit: for instance, do you consider any hitscan weapons skill based? because I don't. On second thought, maybe shotguns with fixed spread.

This is this is the game being compared to Halo: CE? I'm done

Yeah, done running your mouth. You're out of your league here bro, this ain't Softball.

To use your own words: don't judge something you don't know. That game is balls to the wall hard. I've been playing for four months now and I can count the number of real wins I had on one hand.

I'd like to extend my own little challenge. I bet that I could beat you in CPM with a scoreline of more than a ten frag difference on a server on the east coast, where I have about 120 ping.

Edit: to make it more interesting, grimbar might stream it if you take me up on my offer. No promises doe

It's fast paced, I just don't see where a point-click-hold laser pointer and tons of rockets equates to skill. I also didn't see nearly as much teamwork as halo being necessary or displayed either. The game looks like fun, I don't see it taking more skill than early Halo though, especially if that's the video chosen as setting the bar (I assume pro play).

Simply put, you're an idiot

Quake requires more dedication and it's going to be the higher skill game because it's built entirely around that. By comparison Halo is designed with more "purely for fun" elements and singleplayer consideration.
In terms of skill yes, CPMA will take vastly more skill. Whether that equates to "fun" is ENTIRELY subjective.

Teamwork isn't a skill, teamwork is a crutch.

(In case you weren't aware CPMA is a 1v1 game)

I was not aware. I learned something!

No, it doesn't. HAL_9000, while an extremely talented player, is not a competitive player by any means. He likes to constantly play aggressive and if he can't do that, he rages.

This video - while not CPM, but it's simplified brother Quake Live - displays the amount of thinking that goes on in Quake. CPM is exactly the same in that regard, but way, way faster and there's more emphasis on aim and movement.

Speaking of movement, that is really impossible to see in youtube videos, but one of the hardest aspect of CPM is the movement system. You use strafe jumping, bunny hopping, stair jumping, ramp jumping, rocket jumping, plasma jumping, grenade jumping and some other techniques I can't think of at this moment to move as smoothly and fast as possible. To quote a very good player:

Edit: Kval, I think you misunderstand me. It's not that I don't have any fun in any other game other than CPMA, but that a) I personally don't have as much fun and b) realise how incredibly well designed the game is and I just haven't found any other game that is as well designed. I honestly believe CPM is the perfect Arena FPS. It's the best in its particular genre. I'm not saying every other game is horrible and not fun, just not as well designed.

This guy... Lol just a bombardment of awful statements.

It's like this: I don't play PC games, and when I get one it won't be for shooters, it will be for MOBAs, RTSs, and MMOs. PC is designed to dominate those genre's, look no further than sales and playtime comparisons.

With shooters it is unquestionably more popular and played on console, it's not even close. Which takes more skill is debatable, it seems to always end in preference rather than fact. PC players (as shown in this forum) use "your game sucks" to start every argument. Console players never talk about PC games, just PC playstyles. It is hard to have a legitimate discussion when all PC players do is break down the door to the consol section of the forum screaming your game sucks and mine is better because I said so and i use a PC which is a superior platform, which is elitism and fanboying to a T.

Halo sucks? Show me a PC shooter that has sold better and been played more and il believe that statement, until then let's discuss game mechanics and try not to look like a complete moron

I would discuss game mechanics with you but you wouldn't be qualified to talk on the merits of bunnyhopping versus the fluidity of strafejumping because neither exist on your platform (one of the main reasons why PC is better suited for FPS)

My statements are awful to you because I don't consider you to be worthy of talking to like a real person -- that has nothing to do with you being a console player, I just hate people in general.

grimbeezy in the heezy

I've been fair and admitted there's fanboyism and bias on the PC side of things, but you can't take away all blame on Console players. You lot have set an awful example of console fanboy superiority.

And as for your latter point;
Half Life and HL2 are probably FAR more played than Halo and sold infinitely more. PC shooters have a much longer lifespan; people still play Counter Strike 1.6 (don't kill me Pill) even though it came out in 2001. The competitive scene for PC shooters is far wider than the console scene, with CS tournaments being of almost as large scope as SC2 or LoL leagues, and stuff like TF2 gaining pretty large audiences. As for the console leagues, the recent Call of Duty tournament attracted a lot of criticism of just how childish and loud-mouthed the competitors were.

Shooters took a long time to even work properly on console (which is why the main reason Halo and Goldeneye are praised is because they showed shooters could actually work on a gamepad)

I haven't once said "your game sucks", and yet am still treated like an idiot here because I prefer PC. Yes, Grimbar is setting a bad example of PC player attitudes BECAUSE HE'S GRIMBAR and because he's German but your sheer inability to place any responsibility on your side, and acting the victim, is just making consolers look bad.

OK, let's talk about clawing - oh wait that doesn't exist on your system. See what I did there?

Why don't we talk about how the games are similar; we each enjoy them for their own particular merits. They each take dedication and passion. And that's pretty darn sweet.

Seriously, don't try and appeal to Grimbar's nice side. He ain't got one.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't know him so I figured I would just use my default "treat people as OK until they prove otherwise, and then give them a couple more chances just in case" approach.

*note: paraphrased

Edit: Also, number of sales indicate popularity. Nothing else. To make a comparison:
Bieber sold more records than Coltrane, so his music has more artistic merit. (if you don't believe that's false then I've just lost all hope for a better future )

Jack wouldn't know my nice side because my nice side is reserved for the best kind of people. People like Jessep and Deezy, to name some examples from this community.