Grenadiers

But ... isn't that like a natural thing? Make the turret smaller then

I'm pretty sure enemies can't shoot at turrets behind a wall, that's how i defend early game when playing against ai.

For Grenadiers, imo a splash buff sounds like a fun thing to experiment with. All other T1 core units are single damage. Might have some neat tactical uses when it comes to fighting in chokes or between buildings, and further rewards concaves.
Potentially even a bit less damage and much bigger splash, so they can effectively weaken parts of enemy platoons (+punish ultradense dox balls), while you need tanks/dox to actually kill them off efficiently. Depending on stats, it might develope a cool dynamic when the enemy can use combat fabbers to repair the weakened units.

They'd still probably need a bit more health considering the range their fighting at. Assuming we don't want to make them outrange turret (avoiding hardcouters etc).

wrong thread durr Colin slap me

Humans can. To shoot a turret just tell your tanks to directly attack the turret.

Ok, that's just strange. Guess it's a bug.

yep see the new PTE that introduces "I am a shield"-walls that are taller.

Ooooooooooooh I didn't even see the new PTE. Seriously, how fast are these guys at throwing that stuff out?

yeah they are awesome

Yup

the seemingly constant pte revisions threw me off toooooo. Was very surprised. Although I just can't see them being as wild as wacky as they said they would be trying experimental game breaking stuff for the pte. Maybe they're settling down now with a clearer picture of what they want to end up with.

I still think they should make Innomen's real world logical changes and emraldis, Nicb1, and mgmetal13's orbital overhaul mod canon though.

Has anyone considered maybe, 2 buffs and 1 nerf:
1) Increasing grenadier damage slightly, I don't know about aoe though
2) Increasing range to outside towers
3) decreasing projectile velocity

They're pretty one shot killable as it is, so nerfing their hp doesn't really achieve anything, and I feel like increasing damage to about the same or a bit more as an ant is a good thing and decreasing projectile speed gives a sense of mortar randomnivity, that might help??????????

just 3 thoughts for consideration.

Grenadiers are having a super hard time shooting over the higher wall. I think this should be fixed so that they shoot over walls without it being super difficult.

The new PTE just made their shells be a higher arc, probably fixed it

I seem to have had minor success in my last game w/ infernadiers on duat. Granted the other player wasn't particularly good repeatedly attempting to gun for my base instead of my undefended mexes. I did have problems getting kited by the enemy army of tanks+infernos though

Are grenadiers that useful in a general sense?

If they were made T1 artillery, I could see it making a difference, but right now they're just a dodgeable tank without HP.

In the PTE the grenadiers seem strong. They are the cheapest way to shoot over walls. Walls are good and can be made in the blink of an eye with a combat fabber. I think this makes grenadiers +combat fabbers super nice.

And THIS currently is a major problem: Why are certain units so dumb? It´s the same with Hornets, it´s the "Uuugh, I´ve got good range, let´s try to waste it"-factor!

I like all of these changes, especially the T1 SLT. I always want to build these when I see someone coming in with a large number of doxes or bomb bots assuming that it should work better as a way to deal with faster units, but it just isn't the case.

Maybe even increase it's rate of fire 1.5-2x, but reduce damage so it maintains the same DPS.

I'd also like to throw in there, that I think the pelter need work. I've said this a few times before but I really want to see it return to the lower angle firing arc it used to use back in alpha / early beta. Give it a low to medium damage but a decent aoe, combine that with a lower angle of attack and suddenly it will be able to actually hit blobs of units. Right now the flight time of the projectile is too high, so when firing at a moving blob it usually hits no where near center, instead ends up hitting trailing units, or nothing at all. Think guardian / punisher from TA.

I think that it was changed to use the higher angle because people felt it was too powerful, but right now blobs of units can wreck turrets (wall help depending on the blob) getting a decent mid range arty base defense will force people to attack with more than just a blob of tanks or just a blob of doxes, instead they'll have to send arty of their own (grenadiers at T1 and shellers at T2)

Edit: Apparently the pelter has a splash of 12, I don't know what this translates into in game, I'll try to check it out the next time I have a chance.

That splash is a huge deal against dox, but not anything else. TBH, it just destroys 8-9 of them.

Also, fyi, mobile artillery shouldn't outrange static arty. That just doesn't make sense.

I was more thinking

SLT < DLT < Grenadier < TLT < Pelter ~= T3 Mobile arty < Holkins for range.

I kind of agree with you on it not makeing sense, but if pelters outranged even T3 mobile arty, and they were also good at hitting mobile blobs, it might make them overpowered.

I'm ok with that. Then we can make pelters kind of expensive to build so they are more of a T1.5 thing instead of a *rush this for win* thing.

Shellers having the same range as pelters might be a good experiment after enhancing the pelters. That way they can contest, at least.