3 questions regarding naval play.

Discussion in 'Planetary Annihilation General Discussion' started by tehtrekd, August 18, 2014.

  1. tehtrekd

    tehtrekd Post Master General

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    Thread title really says it all, I've got 3 questions regarding naval.

    1: Why does naval still have wreckage?
    Naval was the one unit type that was truly effected by wreckage, the one unit type that should have lost wreckage, didn't. Why?

    2: Would you (Uber) consider naval to be an orphaned/unwanted feature?
    Quite simply, it hasn't been changed or altered nearly as much as any of the other units and is still practically in its beta state. That combined with the fact that it was a stretch goal to begin with give it this feeling of it being unwanted.

    3: If so, why? (if not, ignore)
    I understand that naval isn't as fun/easy to program and make as land/air units are, but is there any other reason for you not really wanting naval in the game?

    These are my questions three, won't you please answer me? ^^
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  2. igncom1

    igncom1 Post Master General

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    Such bait.
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  3. tehtrekd

    tehtrekd Post Master General

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    Call it what you will, but have you seen the state naval's in?
  4. mayhemster

    mayhemster Well-Known Member

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    who needs naval with dox and slammers ^^
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  5. epicblaster117

    epicblaster117 Active Member

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    There are so many ways to properly balance naval just look at RCBM or Statera
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  6. Killerkiwijuice

    Killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    This is yet another reason why version 1.0 should be delayed. Naval is a big part of the game, especially when someone's base is on a coast.

    As for the wreckages, i believe they should sink, eliminating pathing issues.
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  7. Planktum

    Planktum Post Master General

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    They should just give dox and slammers the ability to traverse under water, but not be able to shoot while underwater. This would give submarines a further reason to exist (as I noticed that naval boats can now shoot bots underwater, which just doesn't make sense) but would still give Bots the added mobility/advantage that tanks don't have, further differentiating them, but not clashing with naval balance.


    [EDIT] - you could also give submarines sonar which allows only submarines to detect bots underwater. Otherwise the bots go undetected while submerged. This would give the bots an added advantage for surprise attacks if there are no submarines, or if you have no submarines alternatively you would need to add walls to your base to stop surprise bot attacks. This would also deter people from spawning near water unless they plan on going early naval. At the moment spawning near water gives you the added advantage of using water later if it suits. The change I am proposing gives you a risk/reward decision to make when choosing a spawn location.

    @BradNicholson - I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this idea?
    Last edited: August 20, 2014
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  8. balsamicninja

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    I have it on good word that next patch all ships vision will be tripled and their range almost doubled. They will also be able to fire at orbital and move on land.
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  9. GoodOak

    GoodOak Active Member

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    Naval is an area where I'm concerned that if Uber doesn't at least make it passable, there won't be anything to fix with modding either. The foundation just won't be there.
  10. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    RCBM and Statera have made nice strides, both of us have made naval have very fast speeds, but slow acceleration. Similar to real ships.
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  11. LmalukoBR

    LmalukoBR Well-Known Member

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    Well im actually a bit more calm since i heard metabolical say in the stream with TLO that there will be another pass on naval.
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  12. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

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    Not really, I modded it, never looked back.

    Really, naval CAN be really cool, the only thing it needs is some variety and creativity. It already has a neat theme, naval does, the extended range helps it's limitations and the scale of it being larger and slower is neat.

    In my opinion, demonstrated in my mod, naval is missing roles. It needs fast and slow units, I kept the ship and gave it repair boats, I also added multilayer attacking raiders and limited-layer naval-killing skirmishers. I put a little bit of different AA. I diversified the 2 large ships. I integrated teleporters, astraeus, and mines on water. All that makes a naval-only game, or three worlds with webs of land/water, very playable.

    I think Uber could make it better. Uber could make a new teleporter for naval only (so land and water can't link) and make only similar teleporters link. Uber could add even more unit diversity than I even did. Also, they are doing another pass on it. So you can only keep faith in that it will get better until you have evidence otherwise.
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  13. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    Mines were a part of naval before they were even on land. :p
  14. BradNicholson

    BradNicholson Uber Employee Uber Alumni

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    alright. lightning round:

    1: i think we removed it in the latest build.

    2. nope. it's just really hard to get right, and we're still working towards that goal. i reckon naval has seen more work than any other unit type in the game. it just hasn't appeared that way to the wider community for several reasons (i.e. ya'll don't have much fun with it, even post-fix / balance). we'll get there.

    3. you know, we really want naval to be fun. submarines didn't work out obvs, but we want there to be a reason to use it and in the process have a good time.
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  15. liquius

    liquius Well-Known Member

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    You can change the balance, but @GoodOak's point still sticks. When experimenting with naval it became painfully obvious that it has yet to see enough love. Little things like the uber cannon being almost useless underwater, and large units (ships) spending most of there time bumbling around. The list goes on and a lot of small issues transform into a bigger problem.
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  16. pivo187

    pivo187 Active Member

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    Will subs be in the game still?!
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  17. BradNicholson

    BradNicholson Uber Employee Uber Alumni

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    they might come back. never say never.
  18. cptconundrum

    cptconundrum Post Master General

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    Is it bad that the uber cannon is broken in the water? In TA the D-Gun only worked when the commander was on land or in shallow water. It forces you to play a little differently in the water, but that can make things interesting. The Uber cannon is in the game to keep you from losing immediately to a t1 rush. With the speed of naval, that's much less of a concern in the water than it is on land. Assuming Dox lose their ability to shoot while in the water, that is.
  19. stuart98

    stuart98 Post Master General

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    You didn't.
  20. liquius

    liquius Well-Known Member

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    It's not the end of the world, it's just a little irritating. My point is that when a bunch of small irritating things add up, the fun just fades away.
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