To all of those who encourage wins as quick as possible:

Discussion in 'Monday Night Combat 360 General Discussion' started by Im Hudson, November 6, 2010.

  1. Im Hudson

    Im Hudson New Member

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    Scenario:

    -You are a tank
    -Public Game vs Randoms
    -7:50 of game time has passed
    -You have juice in the enemy base
    -They have no turrets
    -Six lightly armored pros (lets say assassins) emerge. Two from each of their spawn exits.
    -The money ball is down, with about 40-50% of its life left (enough for you to deploy with a tank to be immune from crowd control and kill it)
    -Your ball is up, and has 100% life left

    Lets assume in this hypothetical you have over a 90% probability of winning this game.
    Lets also assume you have a 90% chance of successfully scoring an all-time-great.

    If you go for the all time great, the moneyball goes back up (but will still be available to brought back down)

    If you stop to shoot at the moneyball for even a second, you won't get the all time great, or even a five time.

    Which would you honestly choose to do?
  2. IlliniJen

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    All time great. Every day of the week and twice on Sundays. With bells on.
  3. Im Hudson

    Im Hudson New Member

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    This is my response as well.
  4. ObiFett

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    I think that would be everyone's response.

    Why? Because the pros are a threat and they need to be eliminated to allow you to continue to shoot the moneyball. BUT once you kill the pros, if you stay right outside the spawn, wait for them to respawn, and don't shoot the moneyball, then you are spawn-camping and not playing the game as intended by going for the objective.

    Quick edit: Your scenario is INCREDIBLY unlikely for a ton of reasons, you know that right? I doubt that has ever happened to you or anyone on this forum that plays with a team.
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  5. Im Hudson

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    Six assassins in a pub cannot kill a juiced deployed tank railgunning the moneyball without co-ordinating crit s-launchers.

    Plus there is the always fun instant full health glitch to take into account.
  6. ObiFett

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    Then just finish the game. Win.

    Edit: To back up my claim, I got into a party last night with one of my friends who already had a team of 5. We played many games against pubs. The rest of my team would get into the spawn and say things like "don't shoot the moneyball, I want to get kills." I ignored them and just shot the moneyball, I passed up many chances to get all-time great. They eventually asked why I was doing that and I said "Those guys were all really low level, they could be playing the demo for all I know. I don't want them to hate the game." After alot of joking they all agreed and we had hardly anyone quit our room after we just played to win. Some of the sub-50s actually starting learning some of our tricks and the games got more competitive and fun.
  7. DeadStretch

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    All Time Great, without a doubt. Then on to the moneyball until they come out of their spawn and start attacking me again. Then I would kill them again and return to shooting the moneyball. Repeat as many times as necessary.
  8. Im Hudson

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    As long as we are backing up claims:

    Spawn Camping is good for the community:

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  9. ObiFett

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    And for everyone one of those you get you have 20+ people rage quit your room.

    Because even the devs agree:
  10. Im Hudson

    Im Hudson New Member

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    Arbitrary numbers are fun.

    Lets try this one: X number of people also quit playing this game after being stomped in 1:30 over and over again.
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  11. ObiFett

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    Just to clarify his scenario, since I know I didn't read it right the first time:

    You have two options:
    • 1 - win the game for sure right now when they have no base
      2 - kill the whole team as they come out of their spawn and guarantee the moneyball goes back up

    I would choose 1 everytime.
  12. ObiFett

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    You are right, that number was completely arbitrary. But the point is sound.

    I would argue that the people who rage quit your room after you spawn camp them are greater than number of those messages you have received that are similar to the one you just screencapped.

    I would further argue that out of those people who have rage quit, if you remove the people who are just sore losers and would have rage quit anyways, the number of people you have turned off from the game is greater than the number of people who are grateful you spawncamped them as a learning experience.

    Finally, I would also argue that you would have still received the majority of the messages thanking you for teaching them if you had ended the game by shooting the moneyball and played it the way it was intended, objective over deathmatch.
  13. DeadStretch

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    Well since you put it like that my answer stays the same. All time great. Since my MB is still at 100%. I have never gotten an All Time Great before so if the chance arises I will take it.
  14. ObiFett

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    And if you already have the all-time great award?
  15. ObiFett

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    Also, lets posit the opposite of this question:

    - All 6 members of the opposite team are in your base and are weakened.
    - There is a wave of bots about to jump on your moneyball.
    - You have juice
    - You have two choices:
    • 1) Shoot the pros, get an all-time great, and let your moneyball drop
      2) Kill the bots, knowing your juice will run out and probably die to the pros, but keep the moneyball up

    Which would you do?
  16. Billy Rueben

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    The question is flawed. If I just got an All-Time Great, there isn't anyone left to kill me. And, yes, I would sacrifice an entire game just to get one All-Time Great.
  17. IlliniJen

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    I don't need an engraved invitation. All time great. Every day of the week and twice on Sundays. WITH FREAKIN' BELLS ON.
  18. Im Hudson

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    I've won way more games than I have all time greats, I'd take the rarer, as would [insert arbitrary number around 99% of players here].
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    The question isn't flawed, read it again.

    I didn't say you would die if you got the all-time great, I just said the moneyball would drop. This is because you spent time killing the pros and the bots hit your moneyball.
  20. ObiFett

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    Its funny how you spend more time on little jabs like the above than actually discussing things I bring up. You completely glossed over my answer to your "arbitrary number" dig that I acknowledged and agreed with you on.

    And honestly, if I didn't already have the All-Time great award, then yes I would go for that above the win. But once I already have the tag, there is no reason to really care about it again, I don't get any more $$ and it doesn't unlock anything, except maybe the opposing teams unwillingness to play the game.

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