The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

Discussion in 'Unrelated Discussion' started by stuart98, November 11, 2015.

  1. mered4

    mered4 Post Master General

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    No one is attempting to appease or help the Neo Nazis in any branch of the US government. There isn't a problem here with anyone but you.

    And what is your solution if not more laws?
  2. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

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    What liberty am I sacrificing of theirs? What statistics? What threat? Neo-Nazis make up a unicorn-level of existence. The entire country, for a rally, couldn't muster up 4-digit numbers of them, in a country with 9-digits of people.

    They pose no significant threat. You're way more likely to be killed in an automobile accident, by a loved one in domestic hostility, by a thief for financial gain, by medical complication, or by natural causes, than you are by terrorist, and that includes all terrorists, including liberal-terrorists, racist-terrorist, and Islamic-terrorist.

    Do fascists really pose more of a threat, than attacks such as Barcelona, Nice, Manchester, ect? I argue, they pose less of an actual quantifiable threat, than Net Neutrality handlings. The millions of police in this country, can handle the less-than-thousands of fascists in this country.
  3. Gorbles

    Gorbles Post Master General

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    Ignore 95% of post, focus on the 5% you can quibble over. And you wondered why dishonesty was mentioned :)

    White supremacists have spoken approvingly of Trump's reticence to condemn them explicitly and also his narrative about "both sides", despite the fact that without one side, the opposing side would never have had to exist. You can Google this.

    I didn't give a solution, because there isn't an easy one. Not demonising people who oppose fascism would be a good start, though. Opposing people who believe in genocide is not a bad thing to do. That's all anti-fascism is. It doesn't have to be violent, it doesn't have to be anarchic. If you sincerely oppose Neo-Nazis and all their ilk, and work towards ridding the world of them by any means at all, even simple debate, you are being "antifa".

    You thinking they pose no threat is, in fact, not a factual statement on the subject.

    I don't care how much you try and pull statistics, they're still a factor. They still exist. They still run people over in cars, at rallies. They're a non-zero percentage existence.

    Which means, by the quote by Franklin you provided to me, you're breaking it as well. Any liberties, right? Heather Heyer (and countless others) are dead. Suck it up, buttercup, because I ain't gonna bother wasting words on you beyond mockery now.

    I never compared Neo-Nazis in America to extremist attacks elsewhere. I also said I was capable of being concerned about more than one thing at once.

    You, obviously, are not :)
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  4. mered4

    mered4 Post Master General

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    The car thing happened once, why is it now your rallying cry?
    They aren't a factor, they do exist, it isn't 'countless' dead, its less than a hundred (that I know of) and if you ignore them, they literally can't do anything to force you to listen. They're IDIOTS.

    Your posts are meaningless at this point. We aren't avoiding the issue - we're pointing out that the issue you seem to care so much about is incredibly trivial. Protests happen all over the US all the time. Occasionally, someone gets hurt or killed at one. Sometimes, people get arrested. Things that shouldn't happen, happen anyway.

    Welcome to life. Quit whining about the goddamn Nazis. We literally dropped nuclear weapons on them to shut them up.

    Now, can we talk about something more relevant and not based entirely on partisan rhetoric?

    EDIT: If you don't have a solution and just want to restate the problem, it's called complaining and no one wants to hear that crap.
  5. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    You dropped nukes on who?

    The President of the United States not taking a clear stance against Nazis, the KKK and similar groups is not something I'd call trivial though.

    And you can point as much as you want at the words other have pushed Trump to say,
    the KKK and Nazi leaders still are clearly happy with what he said overall and Trump not seeing a need to directly address that is what I call not taking a clear stance.

    If a march of Islamic extremists had held a march and killed a person like that, how should have the reaction looked like?
    I mean those Nazis are pretty similar to Islamic terrorists. Less successful, but basically the same kind of person. Should the reaction to both not be the same? Why is it not? How is this not a problem?
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  6. stuart98

    stuart98 Post Master General

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    WW2 Japanese were not Nazis. They were allied with them, but weren't themselves Nazis.
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  7. thetrophysystem

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    Trump were not Nazis. Nazis were allied with Trump, but Trump is not himself affiliated with Nazis.

    Bam. Convo Ended.
  8. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    So Trump is like Imperial Japan?

    Umm...
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  9. mered4

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    I think we all know what I meant there. We had to drop nuclear weapons on the fascist pigs at the end of the war to stop them from committing worldwide genocide.
    Trump condemned their actions unequivocally. He didn't do it immediately (which was stupid) but he did condemn their actions.

    As to our response: Islamic terrorists have the backing of billionaire oligarchs and political/religious leaders who want to stay in power so badly, they tell people to blow themselves up in the name of organized religion. Nazis in the US aren't backed by billionaires looking to kill for power. It's a completely different scope.
  10. thetrophysystem

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    No he didn't. They said in this very thread, that Trump never once condemned fascist, and why would they lie about... oh.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

    Albeit he had a teleprompter, but so did every other president since Truman.

    Trump has very consistently condemned KKK and Nazi support. So has Hillary, who also had the official support of the grand wizard of the KKK. Nobody... supports.... racism.

    Anyone saying, that Trump has never condemned support from the KKK and Neo-Nazis, is certifiably lying at this point. You say I'm spewing false information, but this is false information, and you're spewing it. Shouldn't that be... like, illegal, or something? Like a federal agent kick down your door, smash your electronic communication devices, and cuff you for a visit to Guantanamo, or something? Just wondering where you stand on these "alt-facts".
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  11. stuart98

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    Trump equivocally condemns... ??
    Then unequivocally doesn't condemn Nazis
    Then unequivocally condemns them while using a teleprompter
    Then unequivocally doesn't condemn them... again.
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  12. Gorbles

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    "Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump, facing mounting pressure from Republicans and Democrats alike, did what he declined to do over the weekend during an event at the White House on Monday when he directly condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis in a brief statement to reporters."

    My goodness, it's almost like he declined to condemn them in the first place.

    If you want to complain about Net neutrality, feel free to do so, but if you don't have any solutions nobody wants to hear you talk and really your posts are just meaningless at this point :)

    Also, maybe go and resit history class.
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  13. thetrophysystem

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    Can I get a side order of ^THIS PLEASE? It's not that hard to explain, we want this, EXACTLY THIS.
    It doesn't matter. If It's Laughry's class again, it was an Advanced Placement U.S. History class, and I made a 98 with a 3/5 on the AP Credit Exam. Those grades lead me to suspect, if I took the class again, whether you like it or not, I'd get the same facts and conclusions. You'd still have a stupid attitude toward it.

    What you're actually wanting of people you don't agree with, is an explosive collar. Re: Saw 3, you want people to "learn to agree with you by force". Cool story, China wants it of their people, Kim Jong wants it of his people, everyone does exactly what you want of them with a gun to their back for a bowl of rice a day.

    Quit telling us to go resit history class. It's ******* obnoxious and makes me way less willing to take you seriously, as if we haven't passed that point already in both directions. I've gone beyond trying to convince you, and am now trying to make it convincing to people interested in reading your counter-argument for validity. I'd like to think, that validity is there.
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  14. xankar

    xankar Post Master General

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    When it's been agreed on that none of this discussion is changing or influencing anyone's mind, beliefs, or thought process, I have to start wondering how much you guys are getting paid to continue rambling on like this. I could use a few extra dollars, could one of you guys hook me up with whatever service you're using?
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  15. Gorbles

    Gorbles Post Master General

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    At some point it becomes simply cathartic, xankar. It starts with honest intentions, and then just turns into a nicer-way-to-debate-than-social-media. Because, well, forum software. Good for writing with!

    You do realise I was replying to mered with that?

    You are actually, y'know, reading peoples' posts properly? And not just seeing what you want to see? :)
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  16. mered4

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    Which history class are you referring to? I've taken quite a few.
    Or maybe you are referring to the many independent history books I have read over the years.
    Or perhaps you are talking about the socialist and defeatist dung that is spewed in many classrooms across the world today concerning basically everything that America has done or may do.

    I DO have a solution, but since you didn't read my bloody post, you wouldn't know that, would you?
  17. mered4

    mered4 Post Master General

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    As an incorruptible Objectivist, I don't get paid, I get ridiculed. Thanks for trying though.
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  18. Gorbles

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    "quit whining" isn't a solution, sorry bro.

    As for history, I'm referring to the class that taught you America dropped nuclear weapons on the Nazis. I'm not even getting started on criticism of America :)
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  19. tatsujb

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    Im on my phone in still only three days into my vacation but had to come here and follow up.

    Cant believe all that im missing! Even mered's return. Dis gun b gud.

    I dont have time to adress much. but I feel the most prioritary, the most urgent.

    Is congratulating my student on any form of progress!

    Good on you finding this vid trophy! I hadnt even seen it. I hope you find some wisdom in it. I sure think there is. Its not all bleak. I see a ray of hope peaking through.

    Btw you say :
    Haha.

    Okay uh cant do it now because phone but upon returning home I'll provide evidence of me doing that all over this forum and even in this very thread.

    Im no shining example but im still a far cry away from a trophysystem.

    (Just your friendly neighboorhood reminder that this thread is the one who gave us the more good guys with a van gold)

    It just never gets old x')

    (Plz xankar try and pretend this isnt as much fun for you as it is for us .... well I can see it not being as fun if the argument isnt going your way any longer)
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  20. thetrophysystem

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