SORIAN!!!!!!! argh!!!

ok I used to have no issue beating the AI.. now normal kicks my *** in 22 minutes! "Easy" is too easy.. and "Normal" is HARD.. I can't even imagine what "Hard" is like.

First kudo's! You make an AI like no other.. Second can you make a level between easy and normal?
There is too much of a difficulty gap between the two.

I would also love to be able to team up with a buddy against an AI.. (wish list item)

I hope we see the AI playing in the tournaments! Discriminating against AI's is wrong!

Props to the great advancements in AI bad-assness.

DeVoh

It's gonna take a while before the AI starts playing in tourneys, compared to good players, the AI is pretty bad.

The easy AI is pretty easy if you know what you're doing.

Check out PA Matches' tutorials section. Those should help.

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Seriously? People are kicking "Hard" AI's butts?

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And here's a video on beating the hard AI

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234138887

But it's improving with every patch.

Works here.

Yeah, even hard AI is pretty easy. It's just an easy AI with it's economy incoming multiplied by something higher than 1. not sure what though. Don't think it's harder than 2

now it does.

Easy = x0.5
Normal = x1
Hard = x2

That video was pre-micro. The biggest change will be neural nets though. Still, my experience is the AI is better in a FFA than the average player.

yeah, that tends to be my experience as well.

Works fine for me.

Really? I have beaten the AI on hard may times ... Yeah it is somewhat challenging, AI seems to like to turtle, but it is still very beatable. (AI needs to know when to pull its comm out of the front lines, that seems to be its main weakness).

Yeah, it should be more aware of how valuable it's commander is & work better to defend it.

Of course once we get a game type where you require supremacy, not assassination, it should be aware if that fact as well

I agree. Its fine to have it be that aggressive early in the game but around 8->11 min the commander needs to be farther back because that is about the time gunships, vanguards, and sniper bots come out to play >:]

Don't beat yourself up too much, man. You probably just need a bit more practice. But also, if you watch closely, you'll see there are a lot of little scenarios the AI can't really respond to intelligently yet. Exploit a few of those little weaknesses simultaneously and you'll have it curled up into a little digital fetal ball in no time.

It doesn't deal very well against defensive pushes right now, just for example. Turret creep it, and the current version will almost certainly send its commander out alone to deal with the threat. Do that in more than one place, and it's stuck. Try this recipe: 4+ fabbers, 1 double-barrel turret, 1 AA turret, some walls, and a pelter. Repeat as many places as necessary.

The real point is that if you notice which situations the AI clearly doesn't respond to sensibly, you'll be able to game it pretty hard. But then you're training yourself to execute tactics that might not work so well against a Meat-Based Intelligence.

Edit: no offense to Sorian - the AI is obviously WIP, as it's made huge strides even in the short time I've been playing. Not hatin'... I wouldn't do that. I'm not a hater.

I always have a problem with the Scathis AI.
It always seems to be first to go for orbital.

Don't beat yourself up too much, man. You probably just need a bit more practice. But also, if you watch closely, you'll see there are a lot of little scenarios the AI can't really respond to intelligently yet. Exploit a few of those little weaknesses simultaneously and you'll have it curled up into a little digital fetal ball in no time.

It doesn't deal very well against defensive pushes right now, just for example. Turret creep it, and the current version will almost certainly send its commander out alone to deal with the threat. Do that in more than one place, and it's stuck. Try this recipe: 4+ fabbers, 1 double-barrel turret, 1 AA turret, some walls, and a pelter. Repeat as many places as necessary.

The real point is that if you notice which situations the AI clearly doesn't respond to sensibly, you'll be able to game it pretty hard. But then you're training yourself to execute tactics that might not work so well against a Meat-Based Intelligence.

Edit: no offense to Sorian - the AI is obviously WIP, as it's made huge strides even in the short time I've been playing. Not hatin'... I wouldn't do that. I'm not a hater. [/quote]


Thanks Boylobster!
I basically took your advice and won at "Normal". I built up a solid defense, then slowly expanded my long rang weapons.. sweeeeeet...

Haha, nice! You can do it really quickly, actually. Try this: take a few spare engineers and throw up a forward base just a little outside the AI's territory. Do it really early. Put up a single-barrel turret first to protect the fabbers, then an AA, then a double-barrel turret or some walls. Walls are a must, though. That should keep the firebase secure. Then just put up a pelter within range of some of it's structures and watch the mayhem ensue. Oh, and radar coverage is necessary, or the pelter can't do its dark work.

The comm will walk right out to eliminate the base, and you can build as many of those little forward stations as you like. It won't have any idea what to do. Happy camping!

+1 it's MUCH MUCH better than a couple weeks ago, so far as basically suiciding the comm vs a superior incoming force, but I still get wins that I don't deserve because if the AI's recklessness w/ the comm. also, AI doesn't seem to have an appreciation for how damaged the comm is - still easy to bait him a few steps out of his base even when he's barely still alive.

edit: i should clarify, though, that if it weren't for those "undeserved" wins where the AI was a little too reckless w/ the comm, I wouldn't have many wins at all... i'm so thankful when I'm able to snipe the commander, cause I'm nowhere near actually defeating his forces!