So This Whole Marvel/DC Movie Thing

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  1. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    I don't really know much about the comics themselves, but I know some, and enjoy reading about the background stuff.

    As we all know, Marvel went a little crazy and planned out a ton of movies. Which is a little nuts considering that it's likely there's at least one dud in there. Though I gotta say Age of Ultron seems pretty cool, badass robots are always a plus, and they've got the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in there too. There was also a big tough bearded guy who may or may not be Wolverine, I don't know. I've heard that Stark actually built ultron which sets up the Marvel Civil War thing and in addition to that there's a clip of the Hulkbuster armour going up against the Hulk.

    Dunno much about DC but I'm not really interested in anything that isn't Batman, and Batman is being played by Ben Affleck, which is questionable.

    Here's a fun question: Star Wars VII vs Avengers: Age of Ultron. Who makes more money? Which will be better?
  2. Devak

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    Has that ever stopped execs from dreaming? besides, that's normal film business. Duds happen. Besides, quite a few bad things need to happen before Marvel stops being the cool kid.
    Better? my guess is Ultron, but i think it's a matter of personal taste.
    More money? Ultron. Marvel right now is one who can't do anything wrong. They've built up enormous momentum with their previous movies and many -probably myself included- will watch, just because they know it's Avengers 2.

    Dark Knight Rises (the second one) is a movie they can't hope to repeat. Batman 1 was meh and batman 3 was extremely meh with a big dumb subplot about the nuke that made my inner engineer sob like a little girl.

    Assuming that weird-face robot is ultron, yea. It looks like Ultron is an Iron Man suit with a Jarvis AI. Which begs the question of "why didn't he do this earlier". But anyway, it seems to be the logical next step from Iron Man 3 (minus the ending).
  3. Geers

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    Dark Knight Rises was the third one. The good one was The Dark Knight.

    Dunno about Star Wars being worse than Ultron. If they go with the extended lore and have the war with the Yuuzhan Vong it will be incredible. I've read up a little on it and there are some spectacular events in that. Not to mention that since the Yuuzhan Vong use biology for all their tech they should be very interesting visually speaking.
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    have you watched and read watchmen yet?
  5. kvalheim

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    You know a while ago they dismissed all the extended universe as "non-Canon" right?
  6. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    I've seen it, but haven't read it.

    That doesn't mean they can't make it canon again.
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    I'd imagine the statement was made to make a point that they're forging entirely their own narrative for the sequels instead of building of any "established" non-movie events
  8. Geers

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    B-but. I have my hopes up now... Giant organic ships attacking Coruscant, the desperate struggle to survive, the final battle, the *spoiler* of *spoiler* and *spoiler*. It would be soooo good.


    Just read a little more: The Yuuzhang Vong pull a PA and smash a planet with its moon. That's AWESOME.
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  9. Devak

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    I read legacy. Cade skywalker is basically my hero, because the comic (and he) basically deal with every single problem i've ever had about the Sith/Jedi divide.

    For instance, it bugs me to no end that the Jedi thought Anakin would balance the force to the Jedi, when it so clearly was out of balance to the Light Side. (and so bringing balance would make the Dark Side strong.)

    The Jedi are these passive, boring, escapist people that don't deal with stuff. The Sith at least have the decency for personal growth, education, freedom, and following ambition. Sure, they're evil, but other than the power for the sake of power thing, their values are far better than the Jedi.

    Which makes me wonder why there's not a real balanced group, that deals with Sith and Jedi aspects. Well, other than being horribly overpowered.

    Those titles never really made sense to me.


    Well not per se worse by a large margin.

    watched? yes. read? no. I loved the ending. Finally a movie that addresses the worst problem in superhero movies.


    I believe it was something about a group of kids finding Luke's lightsaber in the desert or so. Only minimal (possible) plot points have been deducted.

    Also, i don't see why they won't pull a Marvel. I don't think any movie so far has been original, all being based upon comic books. So i don't see why Star Wars can learn from that and pick the best stories from their comics. Especially since a megaton of stories exists.
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  10. Geers

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    I'm not sure about a specific name for these types of people but I remember reading somewhere about force-users who used both sides of the force. Wait here it is:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi
  11. arseface

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    The Marvel movies so far have mostly been awesome. Not all great, but a lot of good stuff.

    Avengers: Age of Ultron will be gold. Joss Whedon is directing/screenwriting it. The man knows how to use his actors, and has a fantastic wit for writing.


    DC has been doing meh. Some good, some bad, but overall meh. Batman being the big standout.

    I kind of just wish DC would make a Justice League movie. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and The Flash make a great team from a personality standpoint. Green Lantern is also always cool, even if his recent movie wasn't.

    I also think Wonder Woman could probably carry her own movie if they found a good actress for her.


    On the topic of Star Wars. I am not a Star Wars fanboy.

    I know a lot of Star Wars fanboys. People I played Star Wars: Saga Edition for over a year with.

    These people have probably read most of the canon books, seen all the movies, played most of the games and seen the shitty animated series' for.

    None of them had anything good to say about any of the Yuuzhang Vong stuff. At all. It was like those arcs were on par with the imaginary Matrix sequels that we know will never come out. I'm curious what's making you flip out about them so much, because I've avoided them.

    I'm looking forward to the new Star Wars movies, but I don't have unrealistic expectations. Could be good, could be bad.
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    The idea behind the Jedi is rather simple, and it's repeated in a ton of other sci-fi. Like the Inheritance series, for one.

    So, the jedi are the super-powerful beings who use their powers for good, right? And they're not perfect, but they wanted to be organized (there are so many Force-users, after all). So they formed the Order. The conundrum here is, who watches the watchers?

    The Order solved this by laying down rules in the Creed that removed the key causes of defection and wrong-doing - they removed the intent so the worst couldn't happen without them knowing about it. They forbade passion, and ambition, and lust, and desire - all the things that make a man desert his cause for something selfish, and thus give them a way to be manipulated. Essentially, instead of giving them all the money and women in the world to make them happy, they took away the desire for the material world. It worked brilliantly.

    There was one, simple flaw: No man is stronger than when he fights for his friends and loved ones. It's why Anakin was so powerful (to an extent), but also why he turned. It's also why, in the New Republic, Luke allowed relationships for those in the Order. They could betray you, but they gave a fighting edge he could not deny.

    Also, Star Wars won't be as good for the first few weeks, but I think, in the longer run, it'll fare much better than Ultron.
  13. Geers

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    Honestly I haven't read any of the actual Yuuzhang Vong stuff, so I may be missing some details. And those details might suck.

    But from what I've read off Wookiepedia, it just sounds like it would make a good story. With an enemy that has technological superiority even though they literally grow all of it and amazing-sounding battles. I'd love to see Coruscant get obliterated.
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    I guess it's a matter of taste. I only read Legacy which involves mostly post-war post-Vong stuff. They're cool in that they're completely different from anything else in Wars.

    Which only proves my point. A true force user wouldn't strip himself of these emotions. Balance in the force. Balance in emotions. We have hate. We have forgiving. We have ambition. We have reason. The way the jedi are set up, it basically says any successful person ever is evil. The jedi don't deal with it, they escape it. If they dealt with Anakin's mommy issues for instance, he'd be a lot better off. Considering they immediately knew he was more powerful than Yoda and extremely troubled with dark side already in him (all in Phantom Menace), it bothered me to no end that they just told him to ignore that. Had they given him visits to his mom and given him some confidence and security, it would've worked.

    And i'm sure they would make an exception for the one guy who may turn out to be their worst enemy yet. again, they were aware he could go darkside easily, and they were aware of his power. Better to have him on the light side.

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