Shave ice turrets win games.

Seriously. Stop building lasers and rockets in every god forsaken node. On the four traditional maps, shave ice are the best outer turret nodes in the game. Put one 3.3 rocket on your lane's ball node, and fill the other two with the same levels of shave ice. The rocket will protect the shave ice from mid to close rante attacks.

They are the best damage soak turrets in the game, are extremely cost efficient, and are typically put last in terms of priority by juicers. Put TWO next to each other so the enemy has to make twice the effort to remove your aoe slowing debuff that reveals cloaked assassins. The bots will be slow enough that YOU can kill them with ease for money and juice.

They take a lot off effort to take down, and aid in crowd controlling any close/mid range pro that tries.

I see all these posts about how Shave Ices need some sort of buffs, but people never consider how vital turret placement in relationship to map/other turret placements is. Good thread.

But they got no boolits!!!

I don't build them too often in random pub matches, just because I can never get newbie supports to hack them. But yeah, shave ice is by far the most underrated turret.

Hmm. I've never thought of hacking a shave ice before, how much better is it? Aaaaaand now I feel like a noob for asking. Hooray!

(pinky to mouth...) One MILLION times better.

well maybe ~75% better. Enough to give you the giggles anyway.

The title is as close to MNC truth as I've seen in a bit, though 2 on a side is def for when you have someone that will pay attention to the area and take out the interlopers. Even if no one does, watching a team focus on and destroy one is good lulz when they get no immediate benefit, just keep glowing along slo o o o o o w ly.

Shave FTW!!! I wonder where I should put a shave ice tattoo...

Surely they have LAZURS?

They're actually really good, whenever I feel like just playing the super defensive support for fun I always go for the level 3 rocket turret and usually an assasin knocks the other out so I build up a few shave ice turrets, it works wonders. Almost impossible for anyone to get in and out of my base easily, especially when I sit on juice and have a 3.3 rocket turret and 2.2 or 2.3 firebase at all times. Definitely a good option though, much better than a lazer blazer and long shots imo.

Let's take the Sprintz Blitz arena, and assume a ShaveIce is placed in the center node at the middle chokepoint. With no hack, it more or less covers just that chokepoint. With a level 3 hack, its range extends out to the bridges to the left and right, and almost reaches that little wall that Gapshots sit behind.

Also on Spunky, I like to put a ShaveIce on the node right outside your side's short hallway. When hacked, it will slow things out to the ejector trigger on the right, and the ejector zone in the back.

Makes sense. Has anybody created a site or page that has all of these maps listed with a bird's-eye-view of each map and how far each range is extended for each turret type? I'm sure other players that are trying to get better would also benefit from such info.

BirdsEye view for maps is in the MNC blog.

Turret ranges would have to be estimated, although I'm sure the LB/Rockit share the same range hacked/unhacked. Shaveice just gets a huge range boost, making its effectiveness massive.

No they are pretty easy to take out.

He just wants you to build em so he can get the shave ice destruction protag.

Nice try =P

Half joking aside, it's a shame thread like these need to be made everyone once in a while to remind ppl that there are more than 2 turrets (LS get less and less love when players gain skill. Slimbot > Gapshot > Firebase in the spawn room > Long Shot

On Ammo Mule I put my firebase right in front of our base where the 2 bridges intersect and build a shave ice on the nubs on either side, then rocket turrets on the outer nubs. My firebase covers the middle/2shave ice will the rockits cover anyone trying to sneak up from the outside.

Works wonders. The enemy will usually take out one shave ice after 3 or 4 tries and by then I have enough to make at least a lvl 2 one to replace it. 3.3 Shave Ice + Firebase + Rockits = pwnage.

3.3 shaveice is my favorite. I see you from time to time. If you spot immortal303 on ur team, u can build shaveice turrets with confidence. They will be hacked, overhealed and protected by intersecting fields of fire.

shaveice turrets in Spanky cola are the best! If you build one of this in front of the tunnel you'll kick your enemies ***..a think!

Spot a smart Assassin on the enemy team on Spunky Cola, build a ShaveIce on the back turret node to keep them near the center ejectors if they wanna farm bots effectively. Best damn deterrent in the game.

Man, I was just in a game where an enemy support did this and it honestly won the game for them. I was trying to take it out, but with a support babysitting it, it's damn near impossible to do as sniper. It covers the entire main part of the map and even effects the upper levels, meaning that you're only uninhibited access to the other side is through their lower short hallway which is always heavily guarded. A party could easily work to take it out, but with an unorganized team it's killer.