Please remove Bots all-together (Devil's Advocate)

ROBOTS DON'T SNEEZE! HA! CHECKMATE!

I wish dox could shoot air...

But yea, best to remove bots currently. They are nothing more than a noob trap

And they'll still be a newb trap even if they do get buffed to be viable in the role that Scathis intends for them to have.

I miss the days when I would send bots around the two flanks of a tank blob with tanks attacking the front, and just watch the whole blob get annihilated xD but the armies don't get that big anymore, tanks are too fast with bots to slow in comparison, not to mention tank health and dmg vs bot dmg and health even including metal cost is pretty bad and then of course tanks also have longer range and vision... things used to be balanced and fun for using both in combat... but nope now tanks rule

The complaint we really have about bots are that we can't shoot at air at all, and the dox isn't worth building unless you know they aren't watching some random mex's. The bomb bot, the grenadier are all worth building, and pretty much all the t2 bots have great uses.

"We" doesn't represent everyone.

No ofcourse not. But i mean, as of currently they might as well be removed untill they start making any sort of sense.

I can dig bots having a little over half a tank's health and a little less than a tank's damage, as far as combat ones. That is more than balanced for use.

That is just balance though. Grenadiers are fine because they have a "role". Combat fabbers are what you build from bot factories, because they super amp tanks. Would be nice if they had a variety of AA. Would be nice if bluehawk could hit air or whatever even if necesary. Gil-e is fine as the unit it is. The only problem with bot balance, is startup and standalone viability, compared to tanks.

To also play devil's advocate, it is plausible to integrate bots with vehicle factory. As well as add a factory to naval for naval-light to compliment existing naval-heavy.

For full naval planets, the same as bot vs vehicle on solid land planets, you have expensive per unit and slow moving unit type factory, and you have faster unit type and cheaper unit type factory. Obviously like tanks, ships will be more combat cost effective in armor and damage, but bots shouldn't be as weak as they are now anyway so I am assuming "balanced where bots are worthwhile". Also, I don't mean "bots", I mean "light naval", boats and ships with different roles and boats having bot roles while not being "amphibious".

As for planets with 30% water, 50% water, and 75% water, you build naval strategically. If the t2 ships are a pretty strong form of t2 artillery unit bound only to a pool of water, they still enforce ownership of your base and shell invading units. If there is more water, t1 and t2 ships can threaten most land establishments because of range to water and water's extensive access to much shoreline, meaning you can decide the game with naval alone versus a land player.

I like the direction of adding some lighter and land-equivalent roles to naval. This also assumes naval fabbers are as viable in speed and efficiency as land ones. I made a mod like this:

-it still has 1 factory but has viable light and heavy naval units.

-boat fabber is as fast as bot and armored as vehicle and has 2x bot fabber build range to comphensate for ship range increase to fabber's safety and to build deeper onto shoreline and of course is as efficient as land fabbers.

-Scout boat is now a missile boat, AA vehicle cost and health, 120 range, can fire on air land and sea, average AA damage with low land damage.

-Added a submarine model and named it "SeaBass: torpedo ship, naval only", has scout boat health and tank cost but has 150 range higher damage torpedos. The "role" is it is stronger as naval raiding but completely vunerable to land and sea as torpedoes can neither hit land nor air.

-For raiding, the strategy lies in unit composition compared to enemies. More sea bass beat other naval encounters of just raiding units, air beats those, more sunfish defends air better and allows for some land attacking.

-Those raiding units and fabber are the "conversion" from land to naval. The Bluebottle as I renamed it is still present, and is the current expensive-ish ship with 160-180 range and 2 cannons of considerable power. I even buffed their HP, they cost 3 sea bass I think but they can kill 4 and their cost to HP is even better which brings me to my next addition to "light" roles...

-There is a sub fabber model I added and named "combat fabrication boat", it has less range than fab boat and can't assist but can only repair boats and build mines (which now build in water). With durable ships, these things make ship combat slow but hardy and worthwhile, once established, of course because of cost scouting can be established in mass and earlier and 5-10 sea bass can threaten boats with focus still due to speed and massability.

-Then there is the "specialized" t2. The fabber again is the same changes to t1, bot efficiency, vehicle health, bot speed, naval range.

-The narwahl is in t2 now. It has flak, huge aoe, slow firing, 2 hits t1 air units. It is a vicious counter to bulk air. It has a machinegun with enough range to threaten point blank shoreline or directly overhead air that doesn't do too terrible much damage (uses gatling AA bot weapon). It has heavy cost per ship, making it an investment as well, not spammable to just "cancel out" t2.

-The stingray is t2, it has ammo system, can fire 3-4 missiles 2x faster than current stingray, then fire 1 missile every 30 seconds afterwards. Great for single hit and burst damage against leviathans and high health land targets, bad for sustained dps against multiple units.

-The leviathan is t2. Instead of firing 12 cannons at once, it fires 4 cannons in salvos of 3 repeatedly, lower damage a shot, much higher rate of fire. In range of a base, it will rain down onto the base all over, but the structures would take quite some time to actually die. Against other naval units and land units it can pressure and damage and thin out large armies excellently, and has quite a bit of armor against 3 bluebottles even. If rushed with a mass of light it can be swarmed, if hit with hard hitters like holkins or stingray it can be sniped.

-Ships dying leaving wreckage slowed down other slow ships. I removed all naval unit wreckage. Now ships don't impede other ships if defeated in moving combat.

well why do bots have to be just restricted to ground? cant we get like a T1 variant gunship that looks...bot like instead of they typical *makes sense design* of vehicles and aircraft? also, dox, i like the idea of dox being an all rounder unit like anchors and hit air as well as ground, similar to the change of anchor able to hit orbital and ground (now to think of it, anchor can hit very unit in the game, although luckily it cant move)

A flying bot, is just a aircraft.

This is another acceptable idea. We have a hybrid bot-ship, an amphibious bot. We could have "air bot", the bot factory literally builds a bot that acts as a gunship like a rocketeer bot. Low health, a single anti air hit takes it down. Cheap with average anti air damage against air and ground targets. A stinger for instance would kill 2 rocketeers without dying. A spinner would kill 4. Fighters would kill 3 and the 3 couldn't out "outrun" the fighter. They would be fodder, but at least there would be a variety from 1 factory. It would be the classic establishment factory for all roles of a light variety, while tanks are "enforcement" land, naval is "enforcement sea" and air is "enforcement air".

This can go many ways with a bit of interesting variety.

>.O everything is relative, a name is just a title you give something, i call it...the Airbot! no silly aircraft...and design scheme could be different, like i stated. anyways, the point is, bot factories can do more crasy things then they can do now, like airbots *giggle*

I would say a name like mosquito or rockette is fitting...

or the pisseroffer
lol mosquito sounds fitting, or gnat, or iron fly...rockette sounds like something from a vehicle, so doesnt work D=
still like pisseroffer

Enunciation difference, like ROcket vs röckETte.

Possibly pronounce it entirely different by calling it the rockettè. Like Rocket-UH.

Particles float, could call it the particle.

Skywalker?

o right, i shouldnt trash names because of my personal opinion.

Anyways, bots shouldnt be removed from the game completely, that much is clear, they just need to be...reworked

EDIT: and we have no idea if Uber even likes the idea of airbots, let alone a name for them