Performance issues (don't get why)

Discussion in 'Support!' started by diskawrs, September 24, 2013.

  1. diskawrs

    diskawrs Member

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    I had a look at various people's dxdiag and setups, I seem to have a better then average rig for PA but my performance is always very low.
    Framerates are very bad once the game is underway. I have this problem with playing against AI too, all settings are on low.

    If anyone can give me some hints thank you.

    Dxdiag is attached.

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  2. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    Shadows disabled? Also can you give some exact numbers of what FPS you have?
    Press Ctrl+P in game and check it.
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  3. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    Also I have about one problem which is unusual, but anyway happen for one other forum member:
    https://forums.uberent.com/threads/memory-restrictions.50094/
    You have SSD and multiple HDDs in your computer too and this might be related problem, so lets check it.

    I'm have no idea of your computer skills, so you might need this article:
    http://windows.microsoft.com/is-is/windows-vista/change-the-size-of-virtual-memory
    First if auto virtual memory allocation used set it to manual mode, then disable virtual memory on all HDD expept one and then decrease it's size to something like 8GB.

    There is just little chance that your problem related to that, but KennyBall problem was related to Windows virtual memory management. For some reason it's can slow down applications even when free RAM available and virtual memory distributed across multiple HDD/SSD.
  4. vackillers

    vackillers Well-Known Member

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    I think the major issue for you personally here Diskawrs is that you are using an old graphics card, only a GTX 460. Thats quite a dated card, and knowing the alpha has some issues with VRAM (graphics memory) usage, you are most then likely at 100% of your VRAM and slowing you down massively....
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  5. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    Alpha don't have too much problems with VRAM usage actually, at least not for everyone. I'm got 1GB and it's working fine for me.
  6. vackillers

    vackillers Well-Known Member

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    I've had a lot of issues with a GTX 560 ti which only has 1GB of VRAM too and it pretty much maxes that thing out half way through a match with just a single AI.
  7. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    This is understandable, but it's not reason to scaring people around because he's problem might be completely unrelated to video card performance. E.g he might have 2-4FPS on start of game (while he should get 40 with his card) by some reason.

    I just mean that first we need to get some exact FPS number (on start at least), then find out possible problems, (like your with SLI) and after we can make conclusion that problem is related to general lack of optimization. ;)
  8. vackillers

    vackillers Well-Known Member

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    heh yes of course.... I just thought I would mention it as a possibility because of the problem i'm having with a newer card then he has... he could definitely check to see if his vram is getting maxed out... and for the record i get no where near 40FPS on start of a match... 28FPS if im lucky

    theres quite a few people having issues with VRAM which has been bug reported and Garat has already talked about going through that stuff as a few ppl have reported having it...
  9. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    28FPS, even on moon map with scale 2-3? o_O

    It's quite hard to compare problems of different people because for some people 30FPS on moon it's okay while for others 25FPS on scale 3 earth-type planet with tons of units is lags. :D

    I think you need to interpret garat's words very accuracy because he might say it exactly about your card and it's might work differently on other generation on hardware. There is many small details which affect performance, so you can't be 100% sure that newer (or just more powerful) hardware will be more efficient for unfinished and not optimized game.
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  10. vackillers

    vackillers Well-Known Member

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    naaa course not, its alpha, can never ever been 100% what exactly is the cause for everyones performance issues, its alpha, its to be expected there is no performance optimization yet. You got to agree though its something they "can" check on though to see if it could be a cause for a performance dip though? I'm not even sure if this person still has performance issues or not, he never actually replied back your original reply lol
  11. neutrino

    neutrino low mass particle Uber Employee

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    O N^2 is the issue.
  12. Supermap

    Supermap New Member

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    well... it could be worse.... ksp at high part counts likes to run at O C^N
  13. diskawrs

    diskawrs Member

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    Sorry :) I didn't not to reply, didn't realize I would not get any email updates on the thread and I been buzy with actual reallife :) Birthday and Interviews.

    I will be testing abit more tonight and I am :) tech savvy enough. Have run 2 computer stores and worked in the IT industry and gaming industry for over 15years.

    FYI I didn't notice any issues with VRAM but will check again tonight. As for the GTx465OC card, I can run most games on high resolution :) Shogun2, BF3 etc while streaming. It might be a case of just PA not being optimized yet and it is after all in Alpha. The point was to find out what others have done and noticed a improvement in performance with as I have not notice any improvement in game-play regardless of what Cores I assign or what GFX/Game settings I have tried.

    Also to note is that various websites (gamespot and etc) claimed that PA only needs a dual-core cpu and HD intel gfx chipset. Here is one example of hardware requirements posted on gamedebate.

    Thank you.
  14. Cultasare

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    Only getting 20-30 FPS on an empty moon planet with just my commander.

    Drops to 9-15 and stays around there whenever anything is going on.

    GTX 680 4GB
    16 GB Ram
    i5 3570k

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  15. SXX

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    Is it one video card or SLI?

    Do you have any non-standard settings (e.g forced anti-aliasing) in NVIDIA Control Panel?
  16. Cultasare

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    Its just one card, not SLI. Antialiasing FXAA is turned on in my NVIDIA control panel.
  17. SXX

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    Try to disable it and test perf then. Any non-standard options might cause serious performance issues.
    New version release just right now, so we'll see if somebody else have this same problems.

    Also have you tried to change graphics settings, do they affect FPS?
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    I actually just played a game with Cultasare. We have very similar rigs, same CPU- I have more ram at 24gb - while he has a better GPU (I have a GTX 670 2gb).

    I have Antialiasing FXAA turned on in my nvidia control panel too.

    Yet in the game we played he struggled along with 13~ FPS while I was happily sat between 30-40. I also have all settings on Uber.

    After checking everything from drivers to temps, I'm starting to think its simply a 'beta' development issue. Seems strange it would run better on a worse card from the same family though!
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  19. Cultasare

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    Just turned off FXAA, reset control panel to default settings. No change. Still 20 FPS from the start.

    I changed from medium to uber during a game and there was no change in perf. Same FPS.

    I just played with a guy an hour ago who had a single GTX 670. 24GB ram and the same CPU as me. He was getting a solid 40.
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    Ninja'd, that was me :p

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