PC gamers hate DLC and some other stuff

Disclaimer: This thread is from January 2010 and in no way related to Monday Night Combat or Uber Entertainment. It was written before MNC was even announced IIRC. If you want to discuss DLC related to MNC please make a new topic, thx
Col. Jessep

From what I have seen on the forums so far most PC gamers hate every non-free form of DLC, even if it is additional content provided for a preorder. I'm probably one of the strongest critics in the German SupCom community atm. Why is that?

After GPG announced there won't be a map editor/exporter for SupCom2 I was angry to put it mildly. Have they learned nothing from FA? Or the wrong lessons? Some of the most played maps are custom maps, no matter what some 'pro players' say about those turtle 2x bottleneck T4 fests. My most popular FA map has 17000 downloads (most downloaded custom map in the FA vault, not counting other mirror uploads and the map packs).

Custom mappers have proven time and again that we can provide the community with new maps and more importantly more beautiful and better working maps than GPG. (We can release betas and ask the community to test maps for weeks if need be. Mappers like Dragon Fly created whole map packs specifically designed to work well with Sorian's AI.) Still, we get a fat slap across the face, no mapping support whatsoever.

Today Gamestop offers 2 bonus maps as DLC with a preorder. Great, good thing I can't order SupCom2 from Gamestop in Germany (and I wouldn't be willing to jump through all the necessary hoops anyway). But what really annoys me to no end is that GPG built 2 maps which won't be in the normal release version. There probably won't be any custom maps, the amount of maps provided with the game has been reduced and now there will be 2 less maps for us non-US players.

But the part that really bothers me is that there seems to be a DLC system already in place which means if the game is successful Square Enix will most likely try to milk the customers for every cent they are worth. A good reason not to provide the community with mapping tools if you think about it.

That's why I hate every form of DLC. Publishers will go through great length to ensure enough people will buy the DLC. And the game suffers. Content that would have been released is held back for some promotional deals, development time that should go into bug fixing is diverted to produce extra content only a small group of players will ever use.

Let's take another example: Fallout 3. The game ends after the last main quest mission. Only the 3rd DLC pack will enable you to play on with your high-level hero. Coincidence or was the build-in limitation of the original game by design to encourage players to buy all 3 DLCs?

Dragon Age. There is basically no way to get all all the DLC that was offered with the game. You would have to buy the game on a moonless night from a certain retail shop, sacrifice an arm, a leg, the soul of your first-born and a goat and still you would miss out on something.

As a PC gamer I was used to getting complete games with every map, unit and quest that was developed (and not axed). Not anymore though, I have to go hunting for preorder deals, collector's editions, promotional keys and probably have to sign up with some dubious internet services I don't want and need to see all of the content. And just when you think it can't get any worse they take away my favorite tool, the map editor, because they don't want the competition.

DLC should be free and can be used to keep a community alive until a proper expansion pack is released. Every other form of DLC I have seen so far leaves a foul taste in my mouth. It's either ridiculously overpriced (Oblivion's horse armor) or simply not available for a large part of the community (preorder deals). There is nothing wrong with earning money from a game but publishers tend to screw the hardcore fans.

It seems the Square Enix marketing team had enough time to arrange special contracts with Gamestop but I have yet to see the first advertisement or serious preview on Germany's largest gaming site/magazine. They haven't had time to properly announce the EU release date so far, there are only guesstimates from some retailers. Amazon.de only has an import version listed. The torrent sites will be all over SupCom2 (including the 2 DLC maps) before it is released in Europe weeks later. Good job Square Enix!

Sorry for the rant!

http://member.square-enix.com/na/forums ... um.php?f=4

post this there, too.

You sire, would/probably love Valve as much as me.

**** Microsoft and its sadistic DLC packages.

Developers are even encouraged to release the game earler (so less maps/game modes etc) so Microsoft can make more money on the DLC later.

Microsoft fails when it comes to this department.

:shock: Geez, that is quite a necro...

Well, if you bring it up I might as well give the thread an update:
- Square Enix released the preorder maps a few days ago to all players - for free. They took quite a beating by the community about holding them back and they did the right thing eventually. I don't want to sound like a smartass but I told you so SE - two month before the game was released...

There is DLC coming for SupCom2 as well but nobody knows if it will be free or not (probably not, it's extensive). I have to say, SE is trying to make up for mistakes in the past and that's a positive surprise.


I'm a PC gamer so I don't have much experience with Microsoft games. I use Windows 7 and XP and I'm quite content with their work on both. A lot of their professional software (MS Sharepoint!!!) could use a lot of improvement though from my point of view.

When it comes to gaming I would take Valve over Microsoft any day of the week, that's correct. A shame really, MS released a few very good games for the PC in the past.

The worst DLC can be credited to:


Half the levels are ALREADY ON THE DISK but need buying from DLC and half the achievement's need DLC. Breaks all of Microsoft's guidelines.

Well, the cover certainly breaks my guidelines for tasteful artwork... x.x

In my opinion it's okay to put (free!!!) unlockable DLC on the DVD as copy protection. But if you have to pay money for it it's just a rip-off.

DLC is still pretty new in the business and I hope that at some point the publishers and developers will learn to balance the needs of the customer against their need to earn money. I think it's slowly getting better. Just remember Oblivions horse armor DLC, what a joke! The DLC for newer games is sometimes pretty neat though.

And of course it depends on the game how useful DLC can be. Role playing games are basically perfect for DLC while strategy games are harder to pull off.

I am a PC gamer to the core.

I bought an X-Box for other reasons than gaming actually (maybe I tell you later).

However, if Monday Night Combat wants me to pay for some DLC so the developers can make a living and I can play this awesome game, I will.

Then again, I have money I am willing to burn.

Why do you feel developers owe you this DLC for free?

They're a BUSINESS!

Because its the right thing to do
Because the DLC should already come with the game
Because Microsoft encourages them to the point of bribery to hold back much of the material JUST FOR DLC LATER
Because DLC is the poison degrading gaming (and Call of Duty 5-forever)

This just knocks a few notches down for console in console vs pc
DLC should be FREE. You wouldn't pay for updates for bugs/balance changes would you?

PC master race will always be best race.

There's a difference between bug fixes and new content.

This is a business. Its a business model. Companies don't OWE you anything. Content is not free to develop!

I wouldn't mind paid DLC if most of them even offered that much content. Every single DLC I've ever bought has been an absolute waste of money, even more so the fact that a lot of it sometimes can cost as much as half of the original games price. The fact that Microsoft have a requirement for devs to charge for DLC is sickening, being the fact that a lot of them don't WANT to do such a thing. Not when most of the money goes to M$.

It's even more disheartening when PC gamers get them for free and console users need to pay for them. I am still pretty mad about the pricing scheme on consoles, like the fact that most games that are multi-platform cost more on the console than on a PC. Granted, it is easier to pirate on a PC but it's still fairly easy on a console (especially now that every console has a surefire way with a minimal impact on costs towards the consumer).

I consider DLC a way of thanking the customers for being dedicated to their game, so I'm glad to take free DLC when I can. I'm sure Uber will do a good job with their DLC packs, so I'll probably end up paying for them as well depending on what they add. New maps, new game modes, maybe even new classes? Hell, I'd gladly pay $20 if they had some sort of match recorder that I can upload to a server for use on youtube and such (sort of like how Skate 3 has one where you can edit cameras and etc., as dazzle and etc. equipment is a tad expensive and I only use one screen for both PC and Xbox). I know that will never happen, but a guy can dream. But if they just offer stupid costume packs or w/e kinda gimmicky crap companies like EA churn out, then no, I will not support them by buying the DLC.

As for pre-order bonuses, I don't really care. They want to give me free stuff for showing that I'm excited enough to pay for a game without even owning it for several weeks? Bring it on.

You sir, are and ideot.

Scathis, o, anyone? Is DLC free for you guys to develop?

DLC is not free to develop and there are certain types of DLC that I approve of. Like the SoaSE mini expansions. I bought the first one (it was well worth the money) but not the 2nd one (Stardock made the pirates too strong which messed up balance).

Many publishers mess up DLC though and that was what my first post was all about. I gave a few examples to show what in my opinion is *wrong* DLC:

- DLC that is taken out of the game content before release for some preorder deals. Square Enix did exactly that with Supcom2, they removed 20% of the maps and bundled them with some stupid preorder deals. Which brings me to:

- DLC that I will never be able to play. Because most publishers manly negotiate DLC boni with North American business partners I couldn't get the DLC even if I wanted to. There was actually no way to get any of the DLC maps where I live, let alone all 5.

Obviously even SE realized that they way they handled the DLC maps sucked. After month they finally made the maps available for all players for free. Next:

- DLC that unlocks things that belong in the original game. Prime example: Fallout 3. I would have enjoyed to keep playing after finishing the campaign in Fallout 3 - an open world game. It would have given the player a nice feeling of accomplishment to see the changed world after the last campaign mission. Instead
*Spoiler, highlight to read* I die in the last mission and I'm forced to reload an old save game to carry on playing my OPEN WORLD game. /Spoiler
There was no way to keep on playing after the campaign - unless you buy the DLC. How stupid is that? I'm not a fan of being blackmailed into buying content and that's exactly what happened here. And finally

- DLC that splits the community or gives the player who has it an unfair advantage. That just plainly sucks for multiplayer. Additional units in a DLC package will usually mess with multiplayer while maps are usually okay.

So where do you disagree Polynomial? Please don't take one sentence of my original post out of context and pretend that I'm a greedy bitch. :mrgreen: Please read the entire post and respond with examples.


@Ownwithpride: Ad hominem attacks only make YOU look stupid and your spelling doesn't really help your case. If you're not capable or willing to argue properly don't bother to post in this thread. I have known Polynomial for some time now and I value his opinion.


PS: I put up a disclaimer so people don't think this topic is related to MNC or Uber in any way.

PPS: I'm also celebrating my 777th post on this forum! YAY me! :lol:

Iv always thought that if console players have to pay for it so should PC. Barring ofcourse the stupid costs that MS put on having DLC up

So basically, what your saying is 'waaa, im so hardcore because i use a mouse rather than a little stick. They owe me'? Makes no sense.

All I'm saying is Uber's primary purpose as a company is to make money. They cannot make content for free for us. Acknowledging that the purpose of releasing free content is to generate good will for the company. Which is a business strategy that works in this industry. But I don't expect all their DLC to be free. It does cost money.

I'm just trying to point this out the UBER SUPER PC HARDCORE people who feel that companies owe them free content for some strange reason.

>Implying I did not post a completely coherent, readable, intelligent post about MNC's future.
>Implying Poly has a valued opinion
>Hominem
>lol
>Getting trolled by a half *** attempt, not directed toward you. Good job bro.
Enjoy your 50% completed games with no DLC options over there, mate.

inb4 u mad

clearly raging atm

They bundled only 4 maps, 2 game modes, 1 of which is playable after a week. They definitely owe us at the very least more than 4 maps with DLC.

Not to mention balance changes, bug fixes, exploit fixes . (Which they do, thank god you aren't inifinity ward)

Do you remember how much you paid for this game?