Must Every Thread Be Turned into the Complaint Department on Balance?

Seriously. No. Seriously.

If anyone wants to complain about how X should be in the game or how Y would provide better balance, post it here. I'm not talking about a new member with old ideas or current members with fresh ideas. I'm talking about the same stuff that people HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE to bring up in e-v-e-r-y s-i-n-g-l-e t-h-r-e-a-d. Guys... come on. Please. Seriously. I can't open on thread and expect to read a discussion about the OP or participate in a discussion about anything because 2 post in it's all about someone's pet desire. PLLLLEASE!

Thank you for your cooperation.

Example:

This thread shouldn't be about clogging and derailing threads, it should be a discussion about what I think balance means.

See? That's what you don't do when the thread isn't about balance.

Yes.

We demand equality for grenadiers! Uber please end your policy of discriminating against grenadiers. #equalityforgrenadiers2014

Lets just make the other units less op. Share your thoughts on grenadier balance below.

Grenadiers are underpowered. They need a buff.

Dox are OP. They need a nerf.

The Commander has OP regen and crappy storage. Nerf Regen, Increase storage without making it OP.

T2 is OP. It needs a cost adjustment.

Orbital is boring. It needs diversity and more depth.

Super-weapons are gimmicks. They need a cost decrease to make them useful again.

After all that, you need to make naval superior to land forces so ponds actually are useful again.

You do all these things, and gameplay becomes varied and interesting. Awesome, right?

@title:

Yes. We do. Because Uber hasn't DONE anything about it. I deeply appreciate @jables insight on the matter, but there still has been no visible progress. None.

And I went beyond complaining - I demonstrated. Walked the walk, so to speak. Hell, I'm still walking it. Now the ball is in their court.

I want a home run. I expect a single.

Dox?

^this(not sure about T2 and superweapons) + @cola_colins changes in energy + the mod to make units less popcorny + naval overhaul + reduce the cost of the combat fabber

Forgot naval. Edited to include.

And I'm honestly not sure about colin's mod. I still think we need a better unit balance than this dox crap to fix the eco side of things.

EDIT: Hell, I did everything except the full overhaul of naval and the popcorny stuff in my mod - and I like it

But I'm not here to advertise the mod. I'm here to explain what's majorly screwed up with balance.

Also I made some suggestions on how to further change the commander:
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/changes-or-the-commander.65625/

Basically, increase his health and rate of fire (but reduce the damage, to keep the same DPS).

Have you tried playing with the mod that increases units health(less popcorny)? It seems like your cup of tea, Mered. Battles last longer = more time to make decisions. Try it, i think u will like it too. Maybe even implement the changes in your mod.

I believe I let brian try it for me.

His rundown was that it (at first) worked quite well, but you ran into issues with bases being super tanky and such.

It was interesting. I'm still undecided.

I might give it a shot sometime. I'd like to stick with focusing on fixing the current balance before adjusting things that may require a complete overhaul of T1 balance.

You guys should totally play RCBM. It simultaneously fixes all balance problems, solves world hunger and cures Ebola.

I just came here for the free balance tips and popcorn, thanks

You don't fix something by entirely replacing every part of it.

You guys are doing exactly what this thread is complaining about...

In answer to your question, I suppose the answer is that we have nothing else to do. Coupled with the uncertainty of whether or not we'll get balance changes in the near future (likely not, ranked will come first so they can "have more data"), there's an underlying fear that our current efforts haven't been paid attention to, because nothing's resulted of them yet.

Nevermind the fact that Jables confirmed they're taking a look at dox and naval balance.

Balance is an integral portion of the game. It gets brought up because it's a component of just about everything. You can't talk about some topics without talking about balance as well.

Balance is also very important right now because there's so many issues about it.

And Uber doesn't seem to put effort into fixing a certain thing until the community complains a lot for a long time about something. I don't think the community would bring up Balance as much if Uber was more on the ball.

Tell that to my plumber.

If every part is broken you do...

Hey, take that back. We did keep some of the models...