Level 2 sniper grapple headshots

Thats right.. Level 2 grapple someone then headshot them in the air
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Tank grappling and then product grenade out of the air is where it is really at.

I must say, splode a pro is a lot more flashy. I love tossing someone up into the air and blowing them to giblits. I must be Vegeta or something.

You are only Vegeta if you spend 5 hours screaming and powering up. Also, let's see your aghast "it's over 10,000!!!!" face.

Goku > Superman ( drops Mic )

Goku is a scrub and a loser. Superman is too, but in terms of who would win in a fight it depends on WHICH Goku and Superman we are talking about. Let's assume strongest forms; Dragonball GT (non fusion, since it is only Goku here he has no one to fuse with) vs. Silver Age Superman. In that case, Superman wins hands down (he also beats him with fusion, but that doesn't matter here). Even against the weakest incarnations, it would have to be DBGT Goku to even TRY and fight Supes. That, or he will just get some kryptonite and call it a day, because he can't hang in a real fight.

Batman beats them both.

1. Lol no , GT isn't canon to begin with . (Shows how much you know about DB.)
2.it's over 9,000 not 10,000 ( manga says over 8,000)
3. Frieza is on par with supes , bc of laser beam eyes, being weak to certain things ( Frieza made an offhand remark about chocolate )And can you tell me what supes top speed is ? Oh wait it wouldn't matter because if supes cant teleport across the galaxy in less than a second he won't be able to deal with instant transmission.
4.if we begin to talk about strength then supes would still be over helmed by non super saiyan Goku , supes almost got beat by apocalypse by just being thrown through buildings, if supes almost got killed by that then he has a snowball's chance in hell if he even hopes to survive any of Goku's basic attacks

Oh snap.

1. I stopped watching after the Majin Buu BS put me to sleep. It was so boring. I know GT is not canon, because even Toriyama didn't like it. I included it because it is the only incarnation that MIGHT stand a chance.
2. The english dub says 10,000. It depends on which translation you watch.
3. No, he is not. Although they do both have a weakness. Silver Age Superman is FTL. Literally co-location, being in multiple places at once. Galaxy in less than a second? He can do universal speeds in less than a second. Goku may be able to go anywhere instantly but SAS can be multiple places at once. It was explained with "how do you always appear just when needed?" in that he is so fast he can appear just in time, literally in multiple places. Also, there was an issue where he was Clark and SM at the same time, just using super speed to appear as both simultaniously; yes, changing clothes and standing in two spots at once faster than the eye can perceive. He was so fast, he could break through time and travel backwards or forwards through it if needed. And through objects too. Flash (with the powers of three other flashes absorbed) and him were the only people able to keep up with Zoom.
4. Superman pulled a galaxy. A. Whole. Galaxy. Like it was no big deal. That is how stupid SAS was. Your talk about the fight with Apocalypse (who is a Marvel character, I think you mean Doomsday) is using a down powered version of Superman - that is like me saying "you have to use Dragonball Goku, when he was still a kid before he fought Piccolo and grabbing his tail put him out".

I did qualify Silver Age Superman. They de-powered him because he was getting impossible to write a challenge for him without using kryptonite all the time.

Compared to Goku;

He is stronger (galaxies are no big deal. He could move 5 quintillion tons one handed and it wasn't a challenge - for comparison, Earth is about 6.5 sextillion)
He is faster (universal movement in moments, FASTER THAN TIME)
Can co-locate (have fun fighting millions of him)
Is invulnerable (he once watch the big bang happen and it didn't rip his cape)
Is smarter (SAS had super intelligence; the only ones who came close were Luthor and Brainiac)
Has better perceptions (can percieve what is happening on a global scale, and can see what is happening in Metropolis from as far as the sun - Goku could only read power levels)
Can survive in space indefinately (it is established Goku can not)
He is more loved (Goku couldn't get enough energy for that mega fireball against Buu, he had to get Mr. Satan up in there to save the day or else he would have lost. Superman would have pulled it off alone).
Has never died; Goku has spent a ton of time in the spirit world because he sucks.


Where as Goku;
Is a superior martial artist (no denying that; SAS is kind of a thug combatant)
Can travel through dimensions (he could go between spirit realms with instant transport, Superman had to use devices to break the dimensional barrier)
And that's it. Goku could run away to another dimension and spend 45 episodes screaming to power up for half an episode of action where he loses and needs a non-powered human to save his ***. Again.

Face it, SAS only loses to TOAA. Why? Because that was by design. Father\Son analogy and such.

Either way both Superman and DB are boring, and they both suck.
Done.

1. Majiin buu was unwatchable to me after the middle of the story arc.
2. Sorry for hating on you about the dub on that one
3. Goku can go ANYWHERE instantaneously REPEATEDLY. I was just using the galaxy as an example.
4.Source please. Goku could probably do that at this point in the series ( broly got almost SAS levels of powers like blowing up galaxies) So it will become a matter of strength at that point .Has SAS ended the series bc superman will not manage to keep up with Goku if he uses kaioken to just fight superman ( in all fairness Goku would probably die if he used kaioken to the extent think he will need to be able to beat SAS ) bc superman has a finite strength limit if the series has ended. But Goku is still getting stronger after every battle he has with other people because of his Saiyan blood. And kaioken will only make it increasingly difficult to be able to fight Goku .
5. Sensu beans will probably be abused to make it EVEN MORE difficult to fight Goku.
6. There are two good videos to compare and contrast the results with on YouTube . One is biased for Supes and the other for Goku. I will put the links later.

Thanks for being civil about this . Other people usually scream about being fanboys or weeaboos . Next debate will be WH40k versus starwars

I have read most of the Goku vs. Superman links. It all depends on what you consider canon - the problem is that Superman has SO MANY different versions that it is hard to pin which one could do what.

I got to go with 40K for a dark distopian galaxy spiraling the drain, StarWars for something with a bit of optimism. They are both good in different ways. Although a 40K army would mop the floor with a StarWars army, assuming that you have fleet numbers accurate; there were not that many Super Star Destroyers and only the 1.5 death stars but there were TONS of world ships. One Eldar Craft World would certainly be the equivalent of a Death Star and there are a few of them left still.

Yeah, I was a fan of both. I would not call anyone a fanboy because I was one.

How strong? Playing "throw the neutron star" is a great game to play with your dog...


Dude has that one handed. Also, he made the chain using super speed; fast enough to make a chain long enough to link a galaxy full of planets and tow them out of danger, by moving them across the universe in like, a couple of minutes.



Space time? What's that? Lemme outrun it too....
Bottom left corner? That's The Big Bang happening. And he is all like "well, looks like no Supergirl at the dawn of creation..."

I will concede that post-crisis Superman would lose to SS Goku, let alone a higher pwered Goku. Pre-Crisis S would hold his own against SS1, probably lose to ss2 Goku, and SS3 Goku would win easily.

SAS would win against SS3, and if you include all sources SAS Inclusive beats SS3+Fusion.

It would be a tough battle for WH40k but it would win. The only advantage star wars has is its speed and the star forge . I think we should use all of star wars canon versus pre fall of hours to be firefight because that was when humanity dominated in WH40K.Also that was when star wars had the most Jedi. (Lets face it imperial guard > storm trooper.

Pre- Horus Heresy and limited to humans only vs. Republic era? Star Wars, but it would be a tough fight.
The main reason there is that although IG > Storm Troopers, Jedi >>> Psychers. Space Marines and Sisters of Battle are awesome, but I doubt that this fight would ever reach the ground - although you could get some Terminator squads teleporting in and wrecking face, it would not be enough if Force effects are considered Power Weapons (since most psycher powers are, I argue they would; light sabers DEFINATELY are).

Because you specified pre-Horus Heresy, 40K humans don't have reliable astrogation (they base it on the psychic beacon put off by the Emeperor, which only only happened after he was interred and started eating psychers to maintain his life) and get lost in the warp all the time. As such, anyone from SW can just do a hit and run tactics. 40K gunships are better at fighting, but without the ability to maneuver or communicate, they get ground down after a while. The only way they can win is if they do a joint strike force (which is in the new rules, btw) and incorporate Eldar\Orks. Sadly, that leaves out Chaos (which would win all on its own), Tyranids, Necrons, etc.

Either way, tough fight and it could go either way.

Actually there were about 250,000 super star destroyers versus about 80,000 or so Luna class cruisers (back bone of the imperial fleet) WH40K has range, fire power ,and strength. Star wars has logistics , range , and innovation. There are about the same amount of spess mahrines as there are Jedi . But aren't pre horus heresy ships faster because there isn't as many disturbances in the warp ?

Hmmm. You might be right. Still close battle no matter what.

Woah wtfeedle is going on here!
My dragon balls comes from dragon power on the nes.... First db game ever.. Then well it spawned off on drafon warrior aka dragon quest.. I dont know what the heck happened to it now

And is it 250k SUPER Star Destroyers, or just Star Destroyers? The SSD is the really big black one; I thought it was like 20 or so? Regular SD your numbers are probably right.