Lazerblazers are free ASSASSIN juice now too.

Requirements: Enemy Lazerblazer of any level, preferably hacked but not necessary.
Cloak 3
Gold or Silver armor (safer with Gold, naturally)
Know how to do your taunts.

Method: Find enemy Lazerblazer. Be cloaked in front of it, make sure it has no targets other than you. Start your taunt, uncloak during it, and as soon as you get your juice, re-cloak.

Recommendation: Uncloak for ONE SECOND ONLY, then recloak and flee. When your health has recovered, go back and do it again. This shouldn't take more than twp attempts.

So now, the Lazerblazer cost table looks something like this.

Lazerblazer level 3: $175 cost.
Potential income off bots: depends on team competency.
Value vs enemy pros: Negative $530, IF they choose to destroy it once they get their juice. They may decide to keep using it for juice, in which case value vs Enemy pros is negative :shock:

My opinion is that Lazerblazers weren't overpowered before, its that Rock-Its were expensive and underpowered. As it stands now a hacked 2.2 and up are a real threat to pros which requires a $600 investment ($450 for the turret, $150 for hack level 2) while the lazerblazer is effectively burning 175 and giving the enemy free juice, which is on cooldown only for as long as it takes them to get back to your LB safely.

I don't know what the damage value was before, but its way too low now. Maybe somewhere in the middle, between the two values?

Can we just make it press Y for juice.

shhhhh....


-shifty eyes-

any class can pretty much do this.

increase damage a little bit, make its shots not count for juice, or better yet, make it cause very mild juice drain.

many ideas to make lazor blazors useful yet cost-based are out there. but for now just either dont build them alone, or babysit them once build.

My point is the reaction these days isn't "Oh sheet a LB" its "Oh, hey its a lazerblazer. Thanks for the $30 and the juice!"

my point is that they cost 175. therefore, they should be only slightly stronger than a rokkit turret.

the only problem i see is that they juice players. reduce juice or boost damage a slight bit. then they will be what they cost.

you get what you pay for, is what the devs should be aiming for. annihalator is 250, you should get roughly 100 from it. juice is 500, you should get 200 from it (what you actually get from it should make juice cost 600). rokkits cost 150, they should roughly do as much damage as a lvl 3.3 lazor. a lvl 3.3 lazor still has more range than a rokkit, therefore it only needs to be slightly stronger if anything.

Don't build Lazers, they are free juice to the enemy. End of story.

And they're not $30 plus free juice, because you always leave the LB standing so you can come back and juice again

I'm taking into account teammates who instinctively destroy everything in their path.

I'm confused. Taking damage while taunting gives you juice? I don't see anything in the wiki about taking damage giving you juice....

I think i've seen it once or twice as a Protip that taking damage while taunting does increase your juice gain

Zo my gawd

How many times do i have to say this? Vulnerability = faster juice, that's why the assassin gains it so fast, that's why deploying/taunting gives you so much juice

But the Assassin gets a special case: one of the fastest taunts, and an On/Off switch for the turret juicing you (cloak 3)

Sword taunt, uncloak, take several hits, recloak and recover. Rinse, Repeat, Juice. If you'd tried this on the old LB's you'd be toast, now its a walk in the park.

NERF NOW.

Tanks can do it much quicker.. just deploy right in front of a LazerBlazer.. Juices much quicker than the Assassin's taunt.

And this is why you should never build a LB now.. they do the lease damage and die the quickest.. and give free Juice to a Tank and Assassin.. there is no benefit for having one.

Well its ALMOST fair, because if you see anyone doing this, they are dead seeing as they will have lower hp and cannot move or act.

I think however that yes, blazers juice rate and or damage needs a Slight tweak so its not SO easy.

It still a risk vs reward thing, but the risk is just a bit too low atm.

Sidenote, assassin taunt it about the same length as any other, support taunt is the fast one.

Lets not kid ourselves, a shaveice turret is more of a threat than a lazerblazer atm and it doesnt give the enemy free juice.

Well the thing is these days is to not hack Lazer Blazers. lol That way Pros will have to get closer to pull Juice and should have them in range of hacked Rock-Its. Lazer Blazers use to be a cheap front line turret, now they are more like a cheap last effort of defense. When it comes down to it, it's all about stopping the enemy bots from bringing down your shields. They still do great and accurate damage against bots.

Just don't leave them unattended for too long...

The newest OxyTeam tactic:Fetch the Lazor!

Lazers are free juice for any class, even dem snippys with their weak skin and long taunt, they survive.