I was trying to avoid posting a new thread. But after much soul searching, googling, and meditation on the issue. I call for some help. MNCDS will not start at all on both of my machines. I might be missing something brutally obvious. Machine 1 : q9400 @3.2 8 gig ram HD4870 HD4840 Win 7 Ultimate x64 MNCDS will not start. It produces this error: Couldn't load shader file 'FluidVertexFactory' RaiseException() Address = 0x75f5b727 (filename not found) [in C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll] CxxThrowException() Address = 0x7395dbf9 (filename not found) [in C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.4926_none_508ed732bcbc0e5a\MSVCR90.dll] GetPluginCount() Address = 0x5cd601 (filename not found) [in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\monday night combat dedicated server\Binaries\Win32\MNCDS.exe] Address = 0x59ec95 (filename not found) [in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\monday night combat dedicated server\Binaries\Win32\MNCDS.exe] GetPluginCount() Address = 0x7033ca (filename not found) [in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\monday night combat dedicated server\Binaries\Win32\MNCDS.exe] Machine 2: Pentium D @3.0gHz 2 gig Ram Nvidia 260 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Same issue MNCDS will not start at all. windows log, referencing Kernellbase.dll Both machines run MNC client/game fine with no issues. Obviously the gaming rig runs it alot better but that's not the issue here. Should also point out i have Physx Direct X, C++ etc. Installed to the best of my abilities from the Support folder. Any advice would be appreciated. I need to get this running for our next LAN event. Regards. JC