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juice is considered overpowered. i too believe its evil influence beckons at the bastard in everyone's heart, corrupting many to rely on it for k/d buffing and as a replacement for skill. good CCing fixes those who use juice as a corrupt means of faking skill. many a time i see an enemy assassin juice 12 times a game, and never destroy a turret as long as im alive. they may milk the bot lane for juice, but a bad player can have a handicap and still lose.

however, if someone is already good, and still falls to the corruption of juice chaining, knowing they are already good and can get even more kills and money by staying juiced most of the time, they usually kill everybody in the base, every turret, and anyone that engages them as a serious threat as they attack turrets. they juice as a gunner and the first thing they do is send well-guided mortars between turrets and pros, killing both in one shot. there isnt no reliable way to kill them, they will have their unearned kills and wins with minimal deaths. youll be lucky to kill them twice in the 12 times they juice.

if juice is so strong, how is it that only a handful of people juice-chain when 80% of players know how to. 80% of people can melee bots and juice every minute and a half, and maybe half or less actually dedicate the entire game from start to finish torwards nothing but earning juice, and doing their killing after juiced.

because of a honor code is why most people wouldnt do it, even if they were capable. juice is corrupt. but knowing how to get juice quickly, couldnt you take the corrupt power, not let it consume you, and save it to counter the very same corruption that consumes the enemy?

i offer this advice, you know how to boost for juice within the first minute, try to get juice as quickly as possible. then, resist the temptation to destroy the enemy base over and over again with it, and reserve it while you cautiously do your objective. when faced with a juiced opponent, one that would normally juice constantly all game, use your juice to counter his. most juiced opponents will fall to one burst of juiced shotgun, a juiced anything will fall to a juiced minigun.

you can use juice for good as well as evil. you can counter evil and corrupt juice with your own juice. you can save a game that may not be possible to win by defeating juicers, and when you defeat the corrupt juicer, you have no opponent as the opponent you would have had is too busy boosting for juice and not doing any other objectives. open base, open bot lanes, enemies that avoid a fight so they dont lose juice. its a clear walk to the enemy moneyball.

its too dangerous to go alone, take this!

tl;dr

ur right, but where would the fun be without spamming juice as SOON as you get it.

potentially most confusing thread title in the history of the universe.

So, the real question is that what is evil? Since you say it isn't juice, it's how you use it and the people using it, and they are evil. So what about Gold Accuracy Gunners? Giant gun, great Accuracy, only downfall is moving slow while firing but that can be nearly fixed with hovering in combination with shooting. So those are evil too. Same thing with campers, Juice cycles, and anything less 'honorable'. Even in the game description, it says and I quote, "Why fight for 'honor' or 'duty' when you can fight for the real American dream: cash, fame and endorsements?".

Honor is mainly a European construct, generally coming down to 'you go there and stand in a line, we'll do the same, and we will count to three and start shooting'. Guerrilla tactics is one of the reasons America won the Revolutionary War and why we had such a hard time in Vietnam. That tactic can be said it's less honorable, but it isn't about honor, it's about winning. And who is to say that counter juicing itself isn't honorable. Just because you are getting hit and flashing in and out of consciousness, means you have to get an uber-charge and come back with full health and super-powered so all your shots are Crits, fire faster, more armor, and general BAMF-ness.

Way to fix that?, not use Juice, don't sink to their level. But wait, what have we learned from the Sniper? 'A team who uses effective Juices has a 95% win rate', (paraphrasing). I've seen a Tank juice, go straight for a 3 Rock-It, and die from 3 other pros shooting with sustained fire and ignoring the world around him, ultimately dying. Example of a bad Juiced player. But what about the good Juice player? Well, it's not the Juice that is evil, it's the player, but if the player is a smart player using Juice, that would mean he is still a smart player. And Juice isn't invulnerability either. Remember, Airstrikes can kill ANY Juiced Pro, save for the Tank with a Gold Armor Endorsement with max Passive and I think that a Head-Crab can kill any Juiced player though I would have to look both those up to be sure. And don't forget Grapples. I've ran into a base, been grappled three times in a row, all the while Rock-It turrets were unloading their entire salvo onto me, and the person who wasn't Grappling was shooting. I think the real problem is that people don't really know CC or it's either randoms who generally haven't felt out the game yet. Even in the second Developer Walkthrough, he plays a Support who Juices three times with an Assault is there ready to Charge and throw him away, wasting his Juice. And if I remember correctly, they in fact mention that "Grappling is a good way to stop a Juiced player". So someone could of Juice cycled through your base 100 times, but if people on your team Grapple him at just the right moment, and take turns kicking him below the belt, stabbing, backhanding, ground-pounding, bunting, and throwing, he/she will go down. What it really comes down to that if your team can coordinate well, have mics, are decent enough, and work together, but that is a completely different thing.

To make this shorter, (maybe a little late for that,) is to not say that Juice is overpowered or 'evil', but any tool in the right hands and the right mindset is a recipe for disaster. It's the player being good rather then just Juice making or breaking him/her.

stopped reading at the word overpowered

My argument for juice is that if a team with two supports play turtle the only way to break in is to juice it

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I stopped reading when I knew it was a BroTranquilty post.

whats wrong with my posts? a lot of us post more than a few paragraphs, it just means we have a lengthy thought. which usually means we thought it over before posting, and/or did well in senior english class.

YOU MIGHT GET A BETTER TURNOUT IF YOU USE THIS LITTLE GUY:

WITHOUT HIM LENGTHY POSTS ARE ALMOST AS DIFFICULT TO READ AS USING ALL CAPS.

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Attempted to read but gave up due to lack of punctuation.

Juice is fine. Unless you're playing against two forumers whose names I won't mention OBS AND IAN I HATE YOU BOTH GO SUCK LEMONS and they chain-Juice as Assassin, and my shoddy connection makes it difficult for me to CC. But I know that when I finally get Juice, I will remind the entire enemy team - nay, the entire ONLINE POPULATION - will reaise that when my fists talk, no-one is deaf.

Lol. I might get something to dictate into, because there is no way in hell I will consistently maintain correct grammar in any forums. Except the A1Game Forum for C&C Renegade, because they might realize that GenKazuma and AoASoloOp are BroTranquility "if i talk like this without any capitalization".

btw, i talk like this because i can type like 200 words per minute if i ignore caps.

consider the first paragraph of this reply to this thread my gift to the forums, it is the only time i will use correct grammar until i set up windows speech recognition.

TRANSLATION: I'm a lazy little twat.

Because more ideas are better than legible ideas. As an English major, I must tut loudly at you.

English major unite! Or untie.