I thought the new patch would balance combat fabs

The patch, whatever you want to call it was supposed to fix things right? Well it doesn't look like it. Combat fabs are still significantly overpowered, i would rather just remove them. When will balance happen? Not even fun I guess i should put this in the balance page but this really needs more attention. Thanks for the bugfixes, though.

Cm'on Garat.....

We know you know....does Scathis know?

I know Brad knows.

So, two down, six to go.

It's a long journey to fix this mess lol

Whenever something gets majorly broken balance wise like this, it often takes Uber weeks to change it. Even when it's a simple numbers change. Even when it's abundantly clear what is broken, and Uber even acknowledges its broken.

So don't expect a fix for at least another 2 weeks if Uber keeps with their trend.

I've given up on playing the game because the balance is always broken. It gets boring and frustrating having to re-learn the new build's broken mechanic and then exploit the broken mechanic until the next broken mechanic.

Oh god, it's the turrets fiasco all over again.
Players: This is so broken
Uber: Yeah, I see your point.
*months later*
Players: This is still broken
Uber: Hm? Oh, right. We'll fix it next patch.

haha that sounds so ridiculous but so true

Just removing combat fabbers would throw players back into the t1 energy hell. Does anyone really want that?
Also it seems like Uber is rather first actually fixing crashes and the like after gw was released.

No one's saying remove them, just balance them.
Make them less efficient, or make them output less metal (because 60 m/s for a T1 unit is kinda crazy.)

If you make them as bad as normal engineers you would end up with the same energy issues as before.
I guess a possible fix would be to half all their attributes and rename them to assistive engineers. But I don't like the idea of having assisitive engineers like this tbh. I'd rather have a working energy/metal balance with normal workers.

Or make it so they can't assist in construction. That way they can remain efficient and effective in repairing, while not being broken for building.

and you would create the whole horrible energy thing again I was talking about. We NEED workers that are that effective or we need better t1 pgens. Otherwise t1 will amount not to mass expansion but to mass energy stalls.

I think we should get more effective T1 power gens. Which a lot of people have been advocating for that for a while.

I want fabricators to be inefficient while factories are efficient. That way players are encouraged to build lots of factories and massive bases. Rather than 2 factories with a bunch of combat fabbers assisting them.

Yep, we're working on separating building versus healing now. It might already be on deck for the next build. Not 100-percent sure.

Whoo!! Word on the subject!!

It's definitely a discussion worth having. Being OP isn't necessarily a bad thing, by the way. I don't really get why it's such a no-no word.

OP is definitely a bad thing.

If it's over powered, then it means it's a lot more powerful than anything else, which means that one unit is the best thing to use.

Having an OP unit/building means there's no variety. Use that one unit/building or you lose.

That's not good for a strategy game. Or pretty much any game for that matter.

OPness isn't a bad thing because it tends to enhance other elements or introduce interesting choices to overcome it. See the two biggest games in the world: DOTA and League.

It's not really a no-no word, so long as things are OP in a good way.
Nukes, for example, are OP in a good way.
This is because though they are very powerful they aren't required for victory.

Combat fabbers are OP in a bad way, because they are needed for victory, which creates a dominant strategy. You don't follow the combat fabber strategy, you're good as annihilated.

And as I've said 3 times now, RTS games NEED to avoid dominant strategies like the black death.

"Combat fabbers are OP in a bad way, because they are needed for victory, which creates a dominant strategy. You don't follow the combat fabber strategy, you're good as annihilated."

That is exactly what I was trying to convey. Thank you.

I've noticed a trend on the forums.

https://forums.uberent.com/threads/combat-builder-bots-are-too-good.60265/
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/i-thought-the-new-patch-would-balance-combat-fabs.60264/
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/combat-fabbers-remain-broken.59744/
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/about-build-power-and-combat-fabbers.59483/
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/combat-fabbers.59485/

Combat fabbers are broken and should be changed.

I've won a game against someone using combat fabs to speed build stuff before, you just need to make the best strategic choices to win. The problem is its just TOO hard to combat, like how T2 was before- you could win with T1 but it was extremely hard.