I think the Assassin is better than Tank in Blitz

I really don't think the tank can compete with the Assassin. What do you guys think?

Re: I think the Assassin is better than Tank in Sudden Death

Play with im HUDSON, watch as your hopes and dreams get stickered then set on fire.

But.... normally yes, an OT assassin has a lot easier time handlind an OT tank, just because the big boost to speed she gets, imo.

Except that a juiced assassin can be slammed and his juice is effectively wasted.

The tank is the hardest pro to kill while juiced... and if one was on your base I'd greatly prefer it was an assassin instead of a tank.

I might be convinced by the OP if he got a score higher than round 2000 in blitz.

Watch your tongue! Do your research before you open your mouth next time. =]

Juiced assassin > everything, you need to learn this

in blitz the top 2 players for sudden death used support and tank
im guessing the laser spin was used alot or rail gun with crt and rate of fire maybe
I know having a level 3 yellow button with your torch will never run out of ammo so
the turrents were probably properly placed
Shavice on outside and rockets on inside
With a couple of longshots on the corners is my fav setup
Just getting to the kill switch when jackbots come

But as for whos best in blitz id say tank as he lives longer and his rail gun is one of the strongest projectiles in the game

Yeah well, we're top score now and we say Assassin is the way to go.

I can't tell you exactly how we had our turrets, except that it was inspired by the original top score. But get this, we never had to use the annihilator. I could kill two Jackbots and get Juice and back to kill again. I've killed 4 Jackbot waves in a row with no annilator.

The big problem was the Juice glitch. It would give us about 10 seconds of vulnerability. We had to use the annihilator twice becauseof this. Even if it did glitch out I could still take two to three Jackbot waves in a row. It was good to know that we always had that annihilator in case we ever got 5 aJackbots in a row and got juice glitched at the same time. Which happens.

Some of the comments here seem to be talking about crossfire rather than blitz...

Anyway, I don't have much experience in this game type. The old high score was tank support, the new is assassin/support. Both are obviously viable.

Its also worth noting that the random bot spawns make it difficult to take the leader boards super seriously. They are a good source of measuring general levels of skill in blitz, but not very good in terms of saying "class A" is better than "Class B" since the bot spawn patterns can directly influence how far a given class combo will get in this game mode. If tank/support and assassin/support both get insanely high scores, then both combos are obviously viable.

Not trying to belittle anyone's accomplishments or anything, just stating that holding a score on a leader board does not make that class the best.

Congrats to the OP btw. By how much did you beat the old record?

Well, the old guys stopped at 2000 and it finished at 2005. So we decided to stop at 2100 and it ended at 2118.

And actually it is a great way to tell which class is better. We got the highscore and only used the Annihilator twice, maybe thrice. We easily handled 4 Jackbots waves in a row. The only way we were able to do that was to get to the Juice and back before they got too close. Tank can't do that. I'm confident that this is the best way to do it simply because if there was no Juice glitch, we never ever would have used the annihilator.

There's a certain threshold where if you can keep going up to a certain point, you can keep going forever. We know Tank + Support can do it, Assassin + Support can do it, and so can Tank + Tank. I wouldn't be surprised if Assassin + Assassin works as well, though I doubt there's any other viable combos.

Wallace understands my point.

The variables become endurance, player skill, and luck after a certain threshold.

If the bots spawned on a non random pattern at higher level, then you could actually more accurately compare which is "better." As it stands, we only really know what is viable. If you CONSISTENTLY start getting 500-1000 more waves than the other combos under your belt, then you probably are on to something.

The tank is also capable of crowd controlling the jackbots from range, preventing their movement, and splitting them up. He can cover ground with charge and the "tank jump", and has few movement speed issues if speed pickups drop. All of these offset his low base movement speed. The tank is capable of covering a LOT of ground in bursts when properly played.

The issue the tank would possibly run into would be his inability to quickly build juice naturally if his juice rate ever exceeded his cash flow.

I'd actually say that we could only determine what's better if they actually updated Blitz to make the rounds gradually harder forever. As it stands, we've only got opinions on what takes the least effort. By round 2000, you've dealt with every possible combination of bots in every kind of round order. When you've worked out how to deal with it all, Blitz is ultimately just an endurance trial. Anyone who knows how could beat the current score if they have the 10+ hours to do so.

But see, you have to look at the facts. And here they are.

The previous high score relied on the annihilator to handle multiple jackbot spawns in a row. We, only had to use the annihilator three times.

Also, they quit at 2000 and died five rounds later at 2005. We stopped at 2100 and died eithteen rounds later at 2118.

The point is, they had more trouble then we did and they would have eventually died if kept going on. We would not have. Our shields went down twice and our ball was damaged once. That's it. Out of all 2100 rounds.

None of these facts do anything to dispute the statements that Wallace and I have made. They simply explain how this awesome game of blitz went. Replicating a high score like this numerous times would give your argument more merit.

Your last paragraph is extremely assumptive by the way.

I am among top players in SDB and the ONLY reason tank is better right now is cause the assassin juice bar constantly glitches. If it wasnt for the juice bar glitch then assassin would be the best choice for Blitz.

Ive seen stuff about jackpot slam and assassin juice is gone. First of all unless the assassin sucks then they will be attacking the jackpots from behind which = no slam. and secondly with ROF gold the assassin can take out both jackpots with HALF a juice bar while the tank has to use a full juice bar to drop them both.

So who is best right now ? Tank !

Who is best after they fix the assassin juice bar glitch ? ASSASSIN no questions asked

Apparently according to this guy, Tank is definitely, no questions asked, better than Assassin in pre-updated Blitz. So what does that say about us?

I guess I must be, undeniably, the worlds best Assassin in Blitz, hands down. Considering that I hold the high score with a Juice glitched Assassin.

Does this mean that you don't want to team up for a 4-man score? Or what about beating our score so we can have a rivalry?

You just said that the Tank is the best hands down and we beat you with Assassin. We are calling you out. We would like you to join us, but we'll settle for a challenge. And don't say you don't care, because no one spends 9 hours on Blitz, posts 5 topics about and designs their entire profile around it, if they don't care.

So what do you say, friendo?

It says you have a huge epeen. He pretty much DEFENDED how great the assassin is, and said that tank is only a better over all pick right now because of the juice glitch. Yet you still jumped down his throat and acted like an arrogant douche towards him, and called him out on the forums.

I know this does not concern me, but this quickly went from "hey we did something cool, and I want to share it with the community," to "I'M THE BEST BLITZ ASSASSIN IN THE WORLD AND I CHALLENGE YOUZ."

And you have completely ignored the comments asking you to consistently replicate your success with the assassin, to see how much of a factor luck is. I'm not doubting your skill or your strats, but there is a huge problem with taking a luck based spawn system like blitz and comparing them on a leader board to determine "who is the best" vs "who did the best that one time."

The only reason I ask that you replicate: Take a look at the leader boards, and take a look at the difference in scores between yourself and then the rest of the top tier assassins. There is a HUGE spread, and all of the other assassins scores rank well below the top tier tanks at a comparable level on their leaderboards. You are an extreme outlier in comparison. Your success needs to be duplicated in order for your statement "the assassin is better than tank" to be true, instead of just being an outlier in a point of data.

Skill probably has a huge effect on how viable a class is in blitz, not to mention the possibility of the true difference being the SUPPORTS that play with you.

First of all your tone is way off. I never claimed to be better then you. I have shown that i like a handful of others have a good strat and that i can go the distance.

Also never said i didnt care. When i did it i felt i accomplished something being the first to break round 2000. I also gave you congrats for your accomplishment. All you have seem to do is state how much better you are in multiple posts.

And take another look at our posts. They are based on HELPING others. not saying how great we were.

You twisted my words to start rivalry. Am i going to attempt to beat you ? Sure am. Am i going to ? We shall find out soon enough. Because as stated many times by others once u have a good strat and pass a certain point blitz becomes an ENDURANCE test not a skill test.

As for your request for an all time high as a four man team. I have some what i believe to be very good four man strats. But based on your posts your not someone I would even want to reach a new high with. You have proven nothing but how egocentric you are.

Do i need to quote my own post ? Learn to read before you make insults !

I think that the Assassin's speed trumps the Tank's ability to halt waves at a distance. Also, a Juiced Assassin with Gold ROF will tear Jackbots into ribbons.

And that's why I never bothered trying to go past round 200 as I'd rather play crossfire.

Alright you got to round 2000 I will give you that. But I honestly don't care; it's probably the same reason I didn't bother to check your score before posting.

As for the assassin being better, I still see no proof.