Haters gana hate

So i play a match. Get a 17 kill streak. Now i have $2000 and all my skills. I am fighting nothing but an offensive battle. Logicaly i choose to buy juice whenever it is available. Buy juice 3 times get about 4 kills with it and destroy all their turrets with it. Spend the rest of my money on turrets. Game ends i win with a 28 and 5. Pretty decent for a pub stomp, could be better if i wasn't tank..........

AND OH DEAR LORD THATS WHEN THE **** STORM STARTED
apparently going NEAR the juice bar makes all your kill streaks invalid and you a noob
It got me thinking, all these people who just QQ about the juice bar may just need to wise up
Realize how it factors into the game any deal with it strategically instead of complaining every-time someone uses a game feature.
If someone if just farming bots and forgoes skills and their entire strategy depends on buying juice, thats one thing
But if they have oodles of excess cash, don't get butthurt when they spend it

"Your petty insults do not impress me" -my stock phrase

On the other hand, I regular on a server with no juice buying. Still, my point stands :I
It's at points I believe people just need to vent regularly. Of course, no one likes losing, but the game mechanics are all over neutral in a game with a mirrored, symmetric design such as MNC.

That's my "strategy" in a nutshell when playing assassin.

But yeah apparently juice-chaining makes you a hacker, no questions asked. Nobody can get 16 juices in a 20 minute game without hacking right?

"QQ makes me strong!"
"Moar QQ please, it makes me strong"

But yeh i think buying juice too much in pubs is kinda cheap, since you feel kinda played with if your team sucks and enemy team rushes your base juiced all the time.
But if you dont like it join a server without juice buing...

Because being repeatedly raped is so much fun!

i only hate it when ppl get juice from the shop to only kill players with.. and aren't even willing to put a scratch on a lvl 1 lazerblazer

then im seriously starting to rant about how he should "grow a pair" and words like dignity/pride

Not my fault no one else is buying juice :T

know what I hate? thinly veiled, look how awesome I am posts.....

and Juice bar is no needed in a game at all.. Its not cheating or cheap or anything, its just not needed..

Some class's benefit WAY more from it than others.. like Assassins, who really only need to get passive 3 to be effective and earn sooo much extra cash because of how easily they kill bots.... they can get to 500 spare change way sooner than other class's

People who whine without having the necessary experience to make valid claims are not exactly great either.

Juice is here to stay, juice is awesome just not as awesome as bacon.

How about people who assume they are some kind of MNC expert and their word is law..

I honestly take nothing you say seriously anymore. You obviously need this.. so i'm gonna just let you have it.. Ive got RL to get me through.

My only issue on the matter is the entire "Kicking an already dead dog" aspect of when such things become apparent.
Honestly it's less the aspect of Juice buying that I find bad, it can let a team that's had a really hard defense at last come back for the push...if they can get to the despencer with any amount of skill ( thought if they are pushed and made to camp in their base, they might even be making enough cash to BUY juice... ). The real aspect comes down to when already by a show of skill it's an extremely lopsided match.


Maybe that one teams got some great synagy, Maybe it's got that one pro doing most of the work making the others job just that much more easier, or maybe the losing teams got a few too many 'Sin's or other players with too many 1/0/18+ k/s/d's to feed the other side tons of dosh. Regardless it's rather clear that coming back is near impossible just 3~4 minutes in and that the losing team doesn't stand a chance even if they 'somehow' got those guys off their moneyball for JUST a minute.

The mentality there is pretty much "You already won, did you NEED to then rub it ALL in my face as well?" when the victory team just whores out the juice bar/annihilator. All that really tells the losing side is to not even try to play anymore, leave the server, and then people wonder why said server at the end of a match only has like 4 people on it doing intermission...

Again, nothing 'wrong' with juice buying and such, but I think you need to know it does send out a certen message when your skill levels to a point where you've creamed someone WITHOUT it, that your now pretty much doing it just to drive the point way past home plate that you are.

Buying juice is incredibly important for breaking defenses. If you don't take advantage of it most the games end up in overtime which is dumb.

Besides, buying juice has a lot of benefits:

1. Juicing begets juicing when used offensively. You gain serious cash buy juicing into a base and killing players and turrets.
2. Juicing denies juice to the other team. If you kill the various people on the other team every so often, they can't farm a natural juice and retake territory.
3. Juicing provides some serious reluctance to leave your base even though that is exactly what you do to stop juicers.
4. Juicing actually makes it possible to end games before the OT stupidity.

The end result is only good from buying juice and gives a reasonable cash dump if your team is in the lead. Of course you should be farming and buying juice as much as possible!

I still dont think its needed.. they could atleats raise the price to 700 or so.. 100 over a skill is kinda dumb, considering the money you make while juiced..

It ruins the flow for me, when i'm in the zone, I can look at the scoreboard, and watch the kill/death announcements in the upper right, and figure out who I need to watch out for pretty easily (estimate who has juice / is close to juice). when juice buying is on, its like.. theres the support, just gonna seperate him from his firebase with a bomb, start the A... Oh wtf.. juiced gunner from across the map.. what the.. arrrrggghhhhhh damn you juice dispenceeeeeeeeerrrrr..


Seriously though.. I really don't think its needed, ive forced wins plenty of times without it.. I think the problem is this:

right now class's have gotten used to the fact that Juice = turret kills, and forgoten that they can 'GASP' kill turrets without juice..

I use Gold ROF Nade launcher to kill turrets all the time as assault, and god forbind i'm gunner.. moratars eat t hem alive. I dont need juice to do my job.. juice just makes me better..

but servers that have juice buying, they tend to create new rolls, where there is now a class called "juice assassin" or "juiced sniper" or "juiced assault" running around.. Id prefer juice to be less often IMO.

If the raised the price to like 700 and added 2 minutes to the cooldown on the juice bar, it would be fine I guess.

Go out in the middle and control the space around the juice bars.

It isn't that hard to do.

Once you gain advantages, press it completely and buy the juice instead of letting them save up for it.

While this is true, it's also not true.

And before you reply to this I'm responding on the matter of 'needing juice' to beat a team before OT.

A gunner can break any maps bunker given no more then a few seconds., even 3.3 rock-it's can fall from a few well place molar shots.
a Tank can usually angle itself to burn away at turrets without them having a good pin on him, and can take out rock-it's and Shaveice's rather fast as well.
...Supports too knowing how to uterlise the areal support bombs can take down a 3.3 Rock-It in only one lv3 skill use.


...all without juice as well mind you. Mind you the other three classes would have a bit of issue without said juice to do such, but then again those 3 classes seem to earn juice rather...rapidly as well ( Sin's with bots, Snipers with headshots, Assaults just with smart playing and not getting greedy. ), and even then only one of them excells at said job.

But there's also MORE ways then spending 500$ to get juice as well. Melee bots next time you got a chance, inclduing Blackjacks when alone. You'll get a full juice bar in a wave or two of conscienceless smacking with the blunt side of your gun. Using hazards also seems to give you nice chunks as well beyond the analiator.

But again, my point on the aspect is that this topic was made to say "I buy juice when I'm already at the moneyball because I can and I think people QQ'ing over such is stupid" where I wish to point out that "Most people QQ because you already killed the dog. Now you are kicking it, burning it, and shattering every broken bone in it's poor already lifeless body JUST because you can. It's overkill at that point, and the other teams chances are not good enough to come back from a set up like that anyway."

The issue is that your looking too much on the aggressor's side of the matter, and not the team stuck at spawn unable to get out of their base. THAT's where the issue steams from. $500 gives juice, use juice in their base, kill all their dudes, then shoot on moneyball for like 8 seconds for more juice. The defense at that point can't do jack beyond sit in Spawn and count the seconds go by before the rounds over. I know because I've been on both sides of the fence, and it's to a degree where buying juice is just overkill. It's not needed at that point, you won, this is beyond tea bagging and might as well tell the other player to stop playing outright...witch I notice 90% of the playerbase will...

Im against anyone who abuses juice (buying it repeatedly every time it is up just to get kills). I can understand to kill them if your bots are pushing in and their ball drops its ok to get juice and kill their ball and some turrets. BUT juicing for kills takes NO skills at all if you can aim you can kill someone.

In my opinion, the Juice stores are a resource, such as the ejectors, annihilator, and turrets.

If a team refuses to control resources, it's their own damn fault. If they lose control of these resources, it's their fault.


Also, in my opinion, "You're dead and I'm not" is a great way to silence haters.

oh yeah.. like ejectors and annhilator.. just stop the enemy approach.. and.... wait whats that... whats that sound.. oh ****.. assassin just activated the annhilator grabed the juice bar, juiced and killed the 4 of us guarind it plus the fire base..

oh snap..


seriously though... you cant stop a cloaked assassin from getting annhilator or the juice bar, all you can do is buy juice whenever its up, and use annhilator as soon as its ready..

not saying thats not viable, I do it alot, especially as support.. when I play support, I consider it my job to defend the annhilator and the juice bar from enemy pros..

but class's that build juice fast, tend to have the advantage there, since they can juice rush your defense of the juice bar, than hit the juice bar soon as the juice rush is up


is there really no delay between how quickly you can juice? they should limit it to 2 minutes IMO.. like 2 minutes per player between juices.. to stop the juice rush/buy juicerush strategy that is curretnly devistating in pubs, even against good players.. ive seen sins juice cycle to the point where thers nothing you can do to defend your turrets.. just watch em die.

I don't think its right that one single player can devistate an enemies entire base in under a minute.. yet Ive seen sins do it, by juice rushing, smoke bomb rush to juice bar, buy return while things are still smoldering and finish the job..

maybe a delay between juices across all servers.. would help a lot.. and let it be turned off on custom servers for those that really enjoy it..

As it stands I think it should go up $100 in cost every time you buy it.
Doesn't effect it thaaat much at the start, you can still earn it normally as well but will make it harder to go 15+ juices a game.

Which I'll do atm because I can, why wouldn't I really?

Cheap? the game ain't co-op, it's team vs team and I'll never feel bad about juicing when you get team mates like this all the damn time.

http://img441.imageshack.us/i/thisiswhy ... mates.jpg/

The problem only stems from being pubs and the usual lameduck situations* you get in when you play pubs. Although it should be natural, it doesn't encourage players to keep playing the game like it is said in this thread.

It might be an idea to make a sort of in-game newbie helper, where the community helps new players with questions they have. Maybe those questions will answer how to beat certain classes more efficiently. Oh, and make them rub it in player's faces that completing the objective is more important than killing players, that might help.

Those are just my two cents, though.

*A situation where a person/team has already been beaten, but not by the game's win condition. In such a situation, play just continues until the goal is met. At least, that's what I think sirlin described it as.