Do Snipers fit in this game?

see topic question and poll


personally, I do not think snipers belong in this game.

I'm going to kill every newly registered person with an opinion if this doesn't stop.

One more "nerf assassin" or "nerf sniper" topic and you'll see all of MNC forums emptying out. :evil:

edit: I guess I'll play along with this dumb poll. Why do you "personally" think snipers do not belong? Hmm?

cuz dey hawrd ta beyt, roawr!

nah, people complain about snipers too much. each class has their shenanigans, learn to use them.

when a team of only snipers, or a team of 4 snipers and 2 supports, beats a team of any other class, or any other class with 2 supports, then its OP.

i dont think the devs should do anything to any class until that happens.

FYI: yes, a team of all snipers, even a good team, is VERY easy to beat.

why? because it is just too easy to sit back and rake in headshots from any distance in my experience. im not complaining about sins due to how easy they are to counter with any class, but not every class has an acceptable answer to the sniper.

they way i see things, every class has its strengths and weaknesses, except for the sniper.

tank: very good close ranges, acceptable at all other ranges
gunner: very good at close ranges, good at longer ranges with mortar gun, acceptable at medium ranges
sin: very good at very close ranges, acceptable at longer ranges
assault: very good at medium ranges, and good at close and long depending on situation.
support: no comment on this class yet.
but the sniper, can be one shot kill from any range (excluding some tanks=2 shot kills), it has no weakness other than lower life pool.

now tell me why you think sniper should be in this game?

lol somebody didnt do all his homework.

and the sniper SUCKS at close range.

this is where you say that there isnt any way to get close range, and thus, i say that you either cloak to get close range and massacre his puny health, or you wiggle in with an assault.

cmon, im tired of this arguement. are you going to be on in 3 hours? play me. you sniper. me assault. :twisted:

even better, get grimbar to play me.

and btw, most tanks are ok against a sniper if they are decent at railgun. if you play a game where a sniper steamrolls you, put gold armor on. that neutralizes his lucky headshots, so you can charge behind cover. then railgun him, and when he hides aim a carefully placed product nade near him, it should finish the job.

looks like the two forum nerds who think they are better than the rest of us have taken over this thread ;/ while leaving no good content behind.

but i did forget that forum posts=skill? darn guess i am SOL

but for the rest of you that live in reality, if you feel the sniper should be left alone, please explain why.

The Sniper should be left alone. Why? Why not?

And what about yourself?

I would explain why, however forum posts = I have seen many more topics like this one than you have. There's no need to repeat myself. I have already stated my opinion and has not changed one time over the other 50 threads LIKE this one.

To wrap it up in a few sentences however:

Sniper can be outplayed. Tank is not one of the classes that is anti-sniper, that IS true. The devs have even stated that some of the classes cannot trump the other class. That i why this is a TEAM based game. This isn't FFA. However, you guys think that because pubs aren't good with team-based games, therefore a certain class should be nerfed. That shouldn't be the case because what happens when there is competent players all the sudden? Then sniper becomes underpowered. The only way the sniper is OP in my opinion is that newer players do stupid things like "lining up for a headshot". Making the sniper's job THAT much easier. What should you do? Avoid the sniper. My job is done here.

Now, here's an interesting poll that I'd rather see:

How long before someone else makes another topic like this one? I'll give it 5 hours. :|

5 hours sounds right. the only thing to bet on is wether it will be a poll or just a thread with a demanding title to nerf something.

however, he may be spamming topics of his interest, but we are spamming his spammed topic of interests. so ill step out of it. that is all.

I'll give it a half hour.

I did not expect such a response from you. :lol:


Sorry. I have nothing relevant to add to the discussion. Just look at my previous post. :lol:

ok, this argument about snipers is getting old, older than the sin QQ. So i want to touch on some points that will show why snipers are what they are and why they "feel" op in mnc

1. sniper is the easiest archetype to play in any game
1a. sniper is the hardest archetype to master in any game

because of the long range of the sniper rifle, players are able to stay out of direct combat while focusing on prioritizing targets. At the same time though, with a small clip, slow rof and minimum hp pool, the sniper requires proper positioning and selection to not give his position away. Adding in the old sniper motto "one shot, one kill" anything more than the 1 shot is a waste of ammo. So being a true master of playing sniper is something few will ever realize.

now in mnc snipers have all the same benefits and negatives, but there is one thing that gives the sniper more of an edge than in other games. The map sizes and their orientation. In mnc all maps and small scale and fairly wide open, meaning a sniper can see everyone and everything they are doing giving them more potential insight into where the most opportunistic position to set up camp should be. Add in the fact that "non-destructibles" in this game are transparent, being able to pin a target and know where his escape route will be.

and the very last thing that separates sniper in mnc is explosive shot. this upgrade, as sweet as it is, completely nullifies what makes a sniper an elite. AOE on a marksmen doesnt really make him a marksmen.

as many have said before me, to be successful against a good sniper(in mnc) you have 2 options:

A: have a better sniper on your team
or
B: play as a team! use your beefy classes to take aggro while your more mobile classes flank the snipers position

hope this helps some of the rookies out there

cWATiDIDther?

Why do I see my name popping up everywhere lately?

You're famous. Famously being referenced now as the "pro sniper", well... cause you are one of the best here on the forums. I bet if I mentioned "Killz", people would be like... who?

I know Killz, never played him but rumour says he's loads better than I am.

I know who Killz is, and ya, he certainly knows what hes doing. Probably the best sniper I've seen so far, granted I haven't seen very many snipers I'd consider good.

Nerd hasn't been an insult since the 80's.

And they aren't just 'forum guys with lots of posts!!!!!111111!!1!!111' This is an argument we see/have seen on these forums at least 60 times and has been argued to death.


And for the record:

Tank: Short range with some touches of Long with the Railgun. Abysmal medium range.

Gunner: Medium range god, not just acceptable. The only class that beats a Gunner medium range is the Assault(if he takes the gunner by surprise.) Typically loses long range.

Assassin: Close Range and medium range with the shuriken launcher. Can be beat at any range if noticed.

Assault: Excels at medium range, can harass and sometimes kill at long range. Not too shabby close range due to his abilities.

Support: Only has Close range unless he is near his firebase.

Sniper: Good long range, obviously, decent short range with the flak and SMG. Can get lucky with medium range if they can quickscope, but that's rare.

Snipers are already in the game and they're not going anywhere.