DLCeption?

So Gat Out of Hell is a stand-alone expansion to Saint's Row 4.

Here's what irks me: Saint's Row 4 was, let's not kid ourselves, a stand-alone expansion for Saint's Row 3.

Thoughts?


http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/29/6083573/saints-row-gat-out-of-hell-sends-the-saints-to-hell-in-2015

They may as well milk the franchise like CoD does now that the third one made it pretty popular.

This is worse than CoD. At least they try to make them different. Saint's Row has just been reskinning assets since 2011.

WHAT IS THIS, THE YEAR OF THE FULLY PRICED MODS?!
First Borderlands the Presequel, then Civilization Beyond Earth, now this!?
What's next? Far Cry 4 Blood Dragon 2?
God damn.

I don't see why people have issues with reused assets/engines.

You're getting more game, be happy.

Because Saint's Row 4 was sold at full price.

That's because it's a full game.

HA. No. Complete reskin of SR3.

So a 14 hour storyline, new weapons, superpowers, and new enemies all mean nothing.

No, they mean expansion pack.

Please, point me to another expansion pack the length of the original game.

I can only think of two, both for the same game.

EDIT: Sorry about the quotes.

Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon was an expansion done right.
If you want to reuse assets to make something new and out there, that's fine. But charging full price for it is beyond stupid.

EDIT: OH, BOLLOCKS TO FIXING THIS.

Thank you for reenforcing my point. Blood Dragon is half the length of Far Cry 3. And what's this, it also costs half as much. That is because it isn't a full game.

Saints Row 4 is a full game.

If a person does not own Saints Row 3, they can purchase Saints Row 4 and get a full game.
If a person does own Saints Row 3, they can purchase Saints Row 4 and get a full game.

You want to know a series that rips off even more content and sells it separately? Pokemon. I'm not even talking red vs blue. Look at Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum. Exact same pokemon, exact same moves, slightly different story and some bugfixes/minor additions. Each and every one of those games is worth it.

You can argue against Saints Row 4 as a valuable addition to the series, but you cannot tell me that it isn't a full game.

So... Saint's Row 4?

You seem to have missed my point.
They reused practically every asset they could've, there's no beating around the bush, the game was SR3 with some new elements (and hell, some of the superpowers looked like they were ripped right out of Prototype)

I'm not saying the game should've been half-priced like B.D. was, I'm saying it shouldn't have been full price.

Think about it like this, if someone made a sequel to a movie, but 65% of the scenes were the exact same thing as the first, would that be priced the same as a normal movie?
Hell, would that movie even make it into theaters?

It's a full game no matter how you look at it.

If a person never bought Saints Row 3, they could buy Saints Row 4 and get a full game. They should be paying for a full game.

Lots of movies use the same actors, some of the same lines, and even some clips from previous installments. Occasionally even the same sets.

Let's look at a some TV shows.

Look at most episodes of any sitcom. They use the same set. The same actors. And a lot of the time the exact same gags, lines, and episode contained plots. This goes on not only for episodes, but SEASONS. YEARS of doing this.

Now let's look at books.

Pride and Prejudice and Zombies is literally just Pride and Prejudice with added lines. And it was number three on the New York Times bestseller list in April 2009. Sold like a book. People publish different versions of the SAME book with different forewards and epilogues.

If you're cool with comparing SR4 to Pokemon Yellow I'll consider this argument won.

Does length really define a "full game" to you?
Does that mean games like Dishonoured, the CoD and Battlefield series, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, and all those short games that were sold at full retail price weren't full games?

And on the opposite side of that, does that mean games like Minecraft that were made to go on forever are full games and should've been priced fully?

Your argument of "If a person never bought SR3 they could buy SR4" works for Far Cry 3 and Blood Dragon. Does that mean Blood Dragon should've been full priced? They're essentially the same game, after all.

To a degree, yes. Amount of content decides what a full game is to me. Depending on the genre, different lengths are to be expected. Other features like multiplayer support, a storyline, and some other things have to be called in as well.

Blood Dragon has much less than Far Cry 3. Comparing them is like comparing Half Life 2 to the episodes. Mechanically extremely similar, entirely different in scope.

Since Saints Row 3 and 4 are essentially the "same game" then length is the only qualifier we have for comparing which of them is a more complete game. They have similar length, similar weapon counts, and similar extra features. They should have similar prices.