Decreased delay with Gunner Slam

I feel like it's stupid that an assassin can front grapple a gunner, and I mash X to slam, and the delay takes so long that the assassin just dashes and kills me. And I've noticed it a lot in regular gameplay. There's a massive delay between hitting X and the gunner actually slamming.

Considering the dash attack right now does double what it should be doing, I dont think you'll have as much of a problem when the update comes up. Though I dont play a gunner, I too share your "im getting killed by dashes that do way too much damage" pain.

If the dash damage is decreased (instead of switched) i will stop playing an assassin. I have fun playing the assassin, but it's pretty hard. With the lunge AND the cloaked-grapple gone i don't think i can manage to play it succesfully anymore. Just one of them would at least give me some options.
But maybe that is my lack of skills.

I think i can speak for a lot of us when i say i'm happy with the assassins changes, i don't have to be afraid to juice anymore, i won't get my cloak ruined by some crappy effects, and i usually upgrade passive to 3 so idk if the nerf the dagger lunge, and i never cloak grapple.

You were afraid to Juice?

Think hes talking about the juice bar getting frozen an having to slowly drain it off

I kinda agree with rev, but the sword lunge is honestly too weak if you ask me.

I guess we will find out, but as much as I love killing bots....I wont be playing assassin anymore either if its as bad as I think it's gonna be :?

As for the topic at hand, gunners slam is fine, its called balance. Use your jetpack and time the slam better. I know it sucks being assassin fodder, But gunners are the only class that doesn't have an Iwin button vs ninjas. An argument could be made about supports but im not even gonna get into that.

Oh god, the apologists on this site will be interesting if they nerf bot killing ability.

"Well it was never SUPPOSED to kill bots or clear lanes. LEARN YOUR CLASS, NOOB!"

Thats why I didnt even start. I know I would be in a habit/used to what the assassin can do now, when It gets nerfed I'd either not play it, or just keep doing bad habits of how it used to be. I'll figure it out after the update comes so I can avoid this.

Honestly, I'll figure it out. Probably won't be hard to adapt. I don't spent a lot of time trying to head-on people who are likely to survive, let alone dash and grapple anything I expect to live after it. I usually avoid gunners or tanks unless they're wounded, especially since that slam sets me up to die if they do win. And Death Blossom.

The only thing that will alter the gameplay for me significantly is if it does alter bot-killing abilities. Now, I upgrade to the sword after dash and cloak, which I consider more useful early on. So I do have the L1 passive and no sword for quite a bit. Smoke bomb's usually last, because I primarily use it for escapes anyway and I probably won't need a second one.

If I can still hit and run on the lanes and get the occasional kill, I'll be fine. I adapted to a pathetic back grapple that misses due to lag, jumping, death blossom, or just because pit girl screwed with Assassin's armour that day. I'm used to the assassin who's not supposed to assassinate, though I still think it's kinda dumb.

So unless they really do screw up lane clearing, I'll bounce back. Probably die a few times first, but bounce back anyway.

It's needed. There's no reason to reward a horrible assassin with a kill. The entire point of it is that you're supposed to be stealthy enough to sneak up on us. If you can kill us from the front, it defeats the purpose.

In that case, shouldn't all back grapples be insta-kills?

The majority of classes that get back grappled by an AZAZN are dead. The was the whole point. To allow for the same result in the front DOES defeat the purpose of her back grapple.

Of course not all back grapples should be insta-kill; the devs designed only 1 class to have something like that. However, IDK how much it changes of all back grapples were insta-kills. It's not like you're going to see a sniper sneak into a base and start grappling (well, you already do but that's besides the point). Grapples do massive amounts of dmg (half the classes have it as a skill. ) or set you up for pain (Support and Gunner). If all back grapples were insta-kills, the classes that can ring out ppl with front grapples further their advantage. They already can get a ring out, now they can get insta-kills or a ring out?

Next time look to context. I wasn't talking about anyone but the Assassin.

The logic was that the Assassin is supposed to sneak up and get a kill. Frequently, this isn't the case. Front grapples aren't really a "reward," since they do less damage and leave you more open, but the argument was we shouldn't be rewarding bad Assassins for grappling like this.

So anyway, yeah. Context.

Context, schmontext. Azazins are bad, and you are bad for playing one.

Oh dear. I'm not even going to start with how many ways you are wrong. (except in Blitz)

He's parroting one of my own (tongue in cheek) lines.

Your assassin skills came from your heart, not your hands.

If it were that obvious in your post, I wouldn't have spoken otherwise. Might be wise to put the subject of your post...in your post.

The worst part about your post is that I don't disagree with it but your condescending attitude foils your rapport.

So I was quoting a guy who was talking about the Assassin, responding to his argument, and you thought it was...I dunno...Unrelated?

Hmm. Yeah, totally my fault.

Well, enjoy a locked thread. Mine got locked because of the replies becoming trolling and flaming.

Shame that nobody can start a thread about an issue that might later become the subject of an argument.