ASSAULT IS NOT OVERPOWERED AND JUICE IS FINE

Seriously. Jesus Christ people.

Just what we needed, another thread about the assaults balance.

Hmm yes that's fine and dandy but tell me how do you feel about the support?

You could of just PM'd me.

You're not the only person whose complained about these two things. As mentioned above - like 60% of the complaint threads here are for one of those two things.

PS this thread should be stickied

Global announcement Stretch?

Finally, someone who agrees with me.

Assault power doesn't really bother me. Sure they can violate people when juiced, but you can say that about most classes.

Thank you, god, someone that agrees. Assault on XBOX=Sniper on PC in terms of bitching.

The only people who complain about it are people who are scared of the other person killing them because they think they are so good. People complaining and sending rage msgs is like challenging them to a 1v1. It is not wrong to use something that is part of the game and thats why there is a time you have to wait to buy juice again.

Juicing is not a b**** move its a smart and useful strategy.

^THIS

The only thing I'd do to the Assault is make his bomb start recharging after it's blown. Even if it stays the same though it's not exactly game breaking...so...meh.

Earned juice is not the problem and I think you know that.

Juice-chaining IS a b**** move and ruins otherwise good games.

I don't have a problem with juice chaining to break a turtled base. WTF else are you going to spend your money on when you have complete map control, Rockets? :roll: Not me. JUICE? Damn right!

Most of the times i've seen players juice-chaining, they're already well on their way to a victory anyway. Usually it comes from teams who are completely dominating. Or maybe i'm just lucky...

Yeah, you definitely have a point there, but I guess my play style is a bit different than most K/D whores out there.

Can I debate this with you without you screaming profanities at me?

You are a turtle support. You create a scenario where they have no choice but to juice chain, and at the same time, you make it extremely EASY for people to juice chain. When you turtle up your base, your team has no support helping them push into my base. Therefore, until we get to your base, it's 6v5. Once we realize we can't get into your base but can wreck your entire team outside of your base, we're going to start juice chaining to clear out your base.

The other way I've seen you play, which is dropping a firebase down in some random spot and sitting next to it, holding down RT, also makes it easier to juice chain because outside of the small area that your firebase covers, it is once again a 5v6.

There are times where purchased juice is a strategically sound strategy. Like, for example, if you have your bots walking in on their ball and you need to quickly take out 2-3 pros who are trying to stop them. In a private match, I'd say 3/5 games I play, the only way you will EVER drop their ball is with a properly timed juice.

If you eliminate juice buying, you eliminate a non-overtime victory in a competitive game.

I understand it's frustrating in pubs. But even then - if you just kill a person BEFORE they get to the point where they are juice chaining, then they can never juice chain. Everybody starts off with equal map position, equal money, and equal skill upgrades. The only reason people juice chain is because they got way ahead. And that happens a lot when one player isn't moving from his base/firebase.

Lastly, the people who just melee bots for juice...just ignore them. They'll kill you every once in a while. The good news is that they are spending 99% of their play time not pushing map control or fighting other pros.

I stopped reading this the instant you said that I am a turtle support. You know nothing about how I play Snarf and yet you continue to act as if you do. You don't know me, so just stop with your attempted trolls on me. This is the final thing I am going to say to you. Thundercat is actually how it is spelled, not Thudercat. :lol:

2 edits - i give up

That assault guy, he ain't nothing compared to that support guy