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I asked a simple question, I felt I framed it in a way so as not to slander the class or those who play it, but apparently most took offence, perhaps to my lack of knowledge, or perhaps for other reasons..

I would ask the community to try and remember that for every 100 QQ posts, there are 1 or 2 with legitamite reasons, I did not say this class is OP I asked if anyone else thought it was. I did recieve one piece of info from 2 posters who actually took the time to respond, rather than flame.

Answer: Only in PUGS and Only because no one defends their lanes.. in organized matches you wont be allowed to farm bots nearly as much.

Perfectly logical answer that I did not see because of lack of game time and lack of organized play .

Thanks









I don't want to come off as QQing, I actually play assassin.. But it seems like were good at everything, with very little downside.

I currently run:

Gold Rate of Fire
Silver Armor
Bronze health Regen

I Clear entire lanes of bots with ease (especially with the sword dash)
I can take out turrets upclose and from afar (shrukien is rediculous)
I build Juice faster than anything, and can use it better than any one (take out 5 turrets on average)
I can kill players FAST with back grapples.
I can approach the ball in stealth when its armor is down, pop juice and shruiken it down in a single juice, with almost nothing able to stop me.. I start sword on the ball, if i get surrounded, I hit smoke bomb jump up top and continue shrukien assault, its rediculous.



I suggest

1) Sword Dash (R, while holding sword) needs a cool down timer similar to grapple
2) front grapples should do significantly less dmg (leave back alone)
3) shruiken needs to have its reload doubled and its dmg reduced against structures

that should fix it IMO..

not complaining, I love owning every game, just saying compared to other class's I build juice too fast, and can use it way more effectively than anyone in the game.. thats a bad combo..

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

Oh god....

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I know you play assassin exclusively, ive seen your posts.

I'm not qqing, so instead of OH GOD.. maybe you can add some wizdom, I would like to know our weaknesses.. or how another class can build and make use of juice like we can?

How you justify one class being able to instant kill anything thats not over healed, and than kill bots faster than any other class, and than take down jackbots faster than anyone else, and have huge ranged dmg against turrets, and cloak and sprint and a dash..

I mean that seems pretty crazy, if we didn't have back stabs I can see it being balanced but a good assassin can kill a player with almost no resistance once every recharge of grapple.

if you sword dash into a grapple its nearly impossible to HEAR coming.. you have that 1 second window where the slash animation happens at the end of the dash.

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I play assault exclusively. I'm just so tired of these assassin is OP posts.

They're extremely easy to kill. They are miserable against other players at long range. Their front grapple is completely useless against competent players. Snipers can stop them real easily with their ice bomb. Shave Ice turrets completely shut down the class. Assault's Charge 2 one shots you without armor. Charge 3 has a big enough grapple radius to always destroy you. Tank's death blossom destroys you. Gunners murder you with dual minigun upgrade. Support's firebase will kill you if you grapple him or he'll one shot you with the shotgun.

What good assassin's exploit is their speed and surprise factor with back grapples. That is fine.

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I would agree if that were true, but I find shrukienns if you have the ammo upgrade or the fire rate upgrade or BOTH to be hugely effective at range.. and that is the major complaint among those that I have..

Either take away back grapple or nerf shruiken in some way.. he shouldnt have both imo..

and all class's you list besides sniper never counter me, I dont front grapple I always back grapple and can kill most of them with ease, a good tank can survive a back grapple if over healed, but thats about it..

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

Somehow words cannot describe my emotion at the moment. Although saying "Oh god..." seems appropriate.

So...

Oh god... :|

Playing in pubs is different. Most of us know how to counter a sin. If you die by one, then maybe you made a mistake somewhere.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

Shurikens are kind of useless unless you have ways to bounce them off walls and spam an enemy. They're too easy to avoid.

I could be wrong but I believe a tank with gold armor survives a back grapple at full health.

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Lunge + backgrapple follow with 1-2 sword slashes while jumping in the air would kill about EVERY tank. Passive + Armor or not.

That's hardly ever going to happen mind you^^

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

It can seem overpowered against people who don't know how to deal with it.

Scoring kills against a team of people who do know how to deal with it though, nightmare mode.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

Col_Jessep's post in another topic made me wonder about something when i read this thread... Is this your stat page?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/tinygod/st ... ightCombat

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

Perhaps it is just because I am an experienced Gamer, and I'm playing in PUBS.

I can see what you guys are saying, its one of those class's that can DOMINATE pubs, but do very little in Organzied games.

Thanks thats what I needed to hear.

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No. No and no. Assassins are good with a skilled player at the helm. They are the easiest class to be horrible at. Any class can dominate pub games.

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You mentioned assassins are capable of easily running away? That's the point. Because she can't sponge any hits, let alone me actually using the word sponge at all.

Her hitting bots and gaining crazy juice? You can answer the problem right away with area denial. Tank escorts bots and is on high alert for assassins trying to farm bots. Not a very pleasing target for the assassin. I know the assassin can pick and choose her moment but we have to factor that players who know you're in the game as assassin are on high alert for your shenanigans, especially if you've shown yourself to be a bot farmer and juice rusher.

Supports can plant firebases to control bot lanes. Yes the assassin can answer that with shurikens but that takes time. Anytime the assassin spends exposed just lobbing shurikens at a firebase means she leaves herself exposed to powerful threats like the assault.

Even instant kill assassinations means being careful. If your target is someone working in a pair or even with team mates nearby in general, you're in trouble if one of them hear you stabbing their buddy through the head.

Overall, you're in trouble if the enemy has overall map control. What good is juice rushing the enemy base when they've already taken control of the center and have the rest of your team pushed back in your base?

What good is assassinating one pro when a tank or gunner is nearby, ready and raring?

What good is clearing enemy bots when the enemy is doing the same to your bots?

If we're talking pubs, yes, she can dominate because both the enemy and your own team mates are a bunch of fairweather fans.

If we're talking organized matches, the assassin needs good team mates to support her agenda.

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The Ninja and Humiliation achievements are proof enough that tinygod knows what he's talking about.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

OP is not complaining sins are destroying him. He's saying he's too good. Now give advice to people he is dominating. Stop saying assassins are free kills, that doesn't help anyone. Only give advanced advice that helps people deal with GOOD assassins. No silly "listen for hum."

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm26 ... sassin.jpg

Here is the proof; all of sixteen Knife/Sword kills.

[EDIT:] Not embedding image because as it breaks the forum.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

I know he's not complaining about Assassins destroying him, but only 9 hours of gameplay and 16 knife/swords kills are not really good indications of "Domination".

Also, English is not my main language, so something may be lost on the translation, but he doesn't have the Humiliation achievement.

Edit:
Not that i'm putting his game down either. I have never played with him, so i don't know how good he really is. But IMO, 9 hours of gameplay time is not really that much.

Re: Does assassin seem OP to anyone else?

No melee kills. Bit of a blonde moment because I thought Assassin's primary was considered a melee. Other than that, your understanding of English is perfectly fine.

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What are those? Im not sure what you mean by that?

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C'mon Vinny, you know what I'm talking about.