Armor shouldnt be an endorsement anymore

here me out on this one please. I've been playing this game since the first time it came out and i've been messing around with a lot of endorsements and what not getting used to what each class does and what they excel at.

Now since we gotten update for both versions and character balances, I believe that Armor shouldn't be an endorsement anymore. My reasons are that because we have the ability to customize our characters play styles. When you look at all of the endorsements, half of them pale in comparison to Armor. As of right now, when you look at it Armor is necessary so in reality you only have two slots to actually customize your character.

Lets look at the default health on all of our classes

The Assassin is damn near useless w/o an armor endorsement because she literally dies to breeze of wind, the same thing with the sniper. If your not using an armor on them then you are basically being a bad player, sure you may get one or two kills hear and there but what happens when someone gets the jump on you? Lets look at the list of thinks that can kill them in one shot

Assault level 3 bomb and charge
Supports Shotgun
Gunners level 3 grapple
Assassin's front dagger grapple
Snipers level 3 grapple
Tanks level 3 charge and cluster bombs


As you can see, thats a lot of stuff that really hampers them

Lets move on to the tank, the tank needs at least a silver armor to survive a katana back grapple which is needed on all tanks because as an Assassin its very easy to sneak up on a tank. So like the Assassin and Sniper you are a bad player if you dont use Armor

Assaults can die to a charge/death blossom combo w/o armor and get torn apart from gunners and such.

So in the end, get rid of Armor endorsement and make everyone default health to gold armor (or silver) so that everyone can do their job (and also that Gunners can survive dagger back grapples)This way, we can actually customize our characters and differentiate ourselves from others instead of every class being Armor/RoF/???

So what im saying is that if you dont use armor, you're severely hampering yourself from doing your job. Of course you can easily kill terrible people w/o you using armor, but what happends when you play against a decent person, with Armor? You will lose like the majority of fights you get into.

I beleive the heavy classes can run no armor and not have to worry too much about assassins if you claw.

Sniper/Assassin = armor gold/silver
tank/support= have passives to make up for the armor
gunner/tank= deploys add armor
assault= at least bronze armor
Support = at least silver armor

Playing public matches vs 0-20 level players you could run no armor on anything and probably win.

Playing a slaughter house player with no armor makes you an easy kill
If your going for kills and playing against a good team then you need armor no matter what

Armor will save you from most grapple and dashes is the bottom line and let you take a few more extra shots.

Gold armor on a deployed 3 gunner adds about almost double the health of being un deployed.. then you also have counter classes.

Going against an assault/sniper with no armor on a tank or gunner is fatal.

Armor really isn't that important. Just make up with it by playing smarter and knowing when to back up

I'd like to see every class have a default 300 more HP but no armor endorsement. Because really right now, if you don't have Armor and RoF in your build, you're most likely doing it wrong.

you're not understanding the point. What happens when you play a person whos as clever as you w/armor because if you dont have armor, you're handicapping yourself.

Well I'll lose the fight with this person because of the HUGE lag issues as my bullets are absorbed like a sponge.

Agreed. It's like Stopping Power in CoD. Everyone uses it because they're convinced that it's necessary, which changes the meta game so that it actually does become necessary. Which means that for people who want to feel "pro" they really only have two choices for endorsements.

Gold armor does any amazing job of making up for lack of skill when it comes to 1v1 against the same class but with no armor. So it's easy to see why people like it so much. Makes em feel like a big man!

I do like how an enemies health isn't a known factor because they may or may not have armor. That's the only positive thing gold armor contributes to the gameplay.

I don't agree at all... Armor is one of the most important endorsements for all classes, and armor customizes your playstyle too.

If you're using a gold armor, it means that you're going to be aggressive and you'll get attacked by a lot of people, or just that u're a newbie (that doesn't mean noob.) on this game and you need some experience.

And, if you aren't using armor, or u're wearing it as bronze, it means that you're a veteran, or you will be a bit less aggressive becouse you need the gold endorsement free for another one.
Improving the Hp of all the classes as you said will make this game become like ut3, where u just run, run, run and shot without using your mind becouse it'll be like you have 4 endorsements. wich means gold armor (improved Hp), and another gold-silver-bronze.

Armor makes you think about your endorsements because, as you said, it's like you have 2 free spaces and you have to fill them in the right way. And I personally think that armor isn't the main problem on this game

Well, you don't need any more proof that armor needs to be changed than the fact that it's the only endorsement that has a bigger impact on a player's effectiveness than that player's actual skill level.

Yes IMO armor is a must in 90% of builds but it's all where you put it. Bronze armor will stop you from getting one shotted by most attacks but allows you to gold/silver RoF and ACC which is a really good counter to gold armor say in assault vs assault or gunner vs gunner.

Saying armor is a crutch is kind of silly because you're always going to get hit by something and backing up is how you lose games.

No. Just no. Feeding the other team money is how you lose games. Backing up for a few seconds to regain health then getting back in the field is how you win games. Discretion is a powerful tool. Keeping your streaks and Juice progression is far better than charging in and dying. Armor or no armor this will happen if you do not assess the situation before making a move.

Money means nothing and k/d means nothing. You rid the place of bots and bring yours in game over. If you can make it to overtime and win then ces't la vie.

Giving the enemy team gives them money to waste on turrets and juice etc...
All it takes is one failed juice rush and you lost 500$ cause of an ice trap/shavice. You spend all your money leveling up skills you never use. You buy a level 3 everything only for a gap shot in each lane to kill them spawned at 200$.

Money means nothing.. once you get your base skill maxed which you rely on who cares how many times you die if you can still win.

If you got people on the bots and people on the pros you will win.

You earn more money death blossoming 10 blackjacks in the middle of the ammo mule map and picking up the coin over a triple kill etc.

No.

Yes, btw we proved it in a few tourney matches vs your team on video. Ran bronze armor on my tank and cleared every bot possible and went negative every game and led my team in earnings. Still won 2/3 games. Overtime is what killed us

You're actually arguing that backing off for a moment to regain health in order to preserve a kill streak or your accumulated juice is wrong?

Need I remind you of the time you did that against me on Spunky and single handedly paid for our level 3 rocket AND shave-ice? Not only that but thanks to your suiciding our base, we were able to level ourselves up way faster with the kill streaks we earned from you. Remember how that match ended? We won, c'est la vie.

You are handing the enemy team money AND map control if all you want to do is run up, refuse to back off a little when low health, and then die. When you lose map control to a team, or even single opponent, that is leveling up faster than you due to killing you over and over and over, you're just making it harder to regain that ground.

Sure, I can agree that sometimes it's necessary to take one for the team. I just don't think you know when that time is...

No. We won 2/3 games. You only led the team once, and it was only by < 300 dollars. Don't try and pick a fight, just correcting you like you tried to do to OFB.

Thats why playing like a coward to save your kill streak doesn't work in a tourney

Bot killing is important. Pro-killing IS more important though. Try to push bots when the rest of your team is being spawn-camped. Of course, going full on pro-killing is stupid. You need to find a balance. Each time you die, they get more money. Money builds up. Eventually, they'll have an impenetrable base of 3.3 shavice and Rockits. Kill bots, but don't die A LOT.

Serious post to topic. If there wasn't Armor to pick, almost everyone would just pick ROF as Gold and then there'd be a topic of "Rate of Fire shouldn't be an endorsement."