A page with accurate stats?

I've tried searching for any place that could tell me wtf the exact value's/ranges are for damage/hp/regen/endorsements/skills and all of that, (you know, the gamerules)

and i've found the http://mondaynightcombat.wikia.com/wiki ... ombat_Wiki
which has some info, but i'm not sure thats correct info (besides being very incomplete) since a thread here on the forums about armor endorsements gives very different stats...

anyone know where to find such data/info? or if it's not available yet, could the devs like... make a list or something? (i mean, that shouldn't be very hard, right?)

The reason why you can't find matching numbers is because everyone has their own way to measure it. As for the Devs releasing the info they have said they don't want to release the exact numbers. ScAthis has it somewhere where he explains why they aren't releasing any exact numbers.

As for user gathered info this thread is probably one of the better lists. He is still missing some endorsement info though.

ok searched a bit through scathis' posts and the 2 i could come up with are:

and

now these 2 definitly indicate that he doesn't want to/can give us that information, but it does lead me to wonder why! (since he doesn't actually give a reason, he just points to there being a reason)

because, well... simply said... i like to know what stuff does, i like to know the rules before/while i'm playing a game, any game...

or at least, to know a bit about the game, because really, what do i know?
-i know theres 2 teams (basically 1, since they're the same)

-i know theres 6 classes, which are all different

-i know they all have 2 guns, of which i can only experiment with, to find out how it works, how well it works, how well it works against different things and wether certain other things (such as endorsements) would benefit it.

-i know they have 3 abilities, of which i know nothing, except for the general thing they do, (because i can look/experiment), and the fact that they'll probably become better with each level, but i can't even really check or make that decision myself based on any information i have.

-i know all of them have health, and i know about like the order of most hp to lowest, but i can't actually confirm it, it's an estimation at best, and i still don't know the actual difference (for example, if a gold armor passive 3 tank is in red, would that mean, low health? or maybe it means, hes got as much health as an assasin without armor?, i don't know, i can't check!)

and i can go on and on, but that's probably really boring, so suffice it to say, that i think theres a lot of stuff, which i don't know anything about.
I can estimate all of these things, (though how well that estimation is depends on how noticable it is ingame)
i can experiment, and get very close to the actual numbers if i spend lots of hours...

BUT, someone could also just get a list of variables or something, since i do assume they have the variables easily reachable, in case of balancing stuff, and that would take alot less time.... (and i think it would be proper, you know... you sell a product, but you don't actually wanna say what the product does?, you know, bit strange)


wow, long post... ahwell, i feel strongly about it i guess
the link to the thread you posted is usefull though, thx
(though it does make me want to stress my point more, that i want info about the product i purchased, (although i do realise you could call me a fool for buying a product without knowing exactly what it does/does not do))

(also, if i screwed up on searching and he did explain it with an argument somewhere else, do tell me i'm an idiot with searches and direct me to that post plz?)


EDIT:
just searched through the .ini's a bit, maybe a simpler thing, something a dev can awnser, is "monday night combat/hostilegame/config/defaultbalance.ini" the file with the correct numbers? or the hostilebalance.ini? or another one i haven't checked yet wether they seem to have all the numbers related to this? (if so, ill gladly parse it and make it into a nice list of stuff people can use)

EDIT2:
the numbers seem correct, i have no idea how the grapple damage is being calculated, but most other stuff seems pretty clear, will make a post soonish containing said stats (still wouldn't mind confirmation wether these are indeed the correct values however, i'm pretty sure, but since i'm not a dev, i can't be 100% sure)

Ok, so here are the stats according to defaultBalance.ini and hostileBalance.ini

Firstly though, i'll have to admit that even though i found those files, i still have to assume a hell of a lot of stuff, since the files dont tell me, so i'll list my asssumptions, starting with the major one:

-The files i'm checking are correct (would love to get some kind of verification of this, now an easy example that works is: tank railgun damage = 149, x5 vs bots, blackjack has 2000 hp, 3 hits is kill ingame, so 149*3= 2235, which thus seems to be correct)

-That anything that is to do with time, is counted in seconds
-That the devs aren't completely weird, and thus do things that other coders do, in this case i mean, the numbers in the file, mean either fractions/percentages or full numbers, and they either represent sets, multipliers, multiplier adds, adds, subtracts, divides and so on like any other game
-That fixed means turrets, Core means the ball, Fodder means Bots, boss means Jackbot, inst means instigator=self,
-That a full ability bar = 60 (since on use most abilities cost 60)
-That maxrange = max damage range, and from there to falloff theres a falloff curve of damage, and the falloff value = max range as in doesnt do damage beyond it (only seems to apply to hitscan weapons)
-That a full Juice bar = 100
-That i don't know what everything means, thus i'll have some question marks at stuff where i'm not sure
-The throw vs stuff, i dunno what it means, i'm thinking it might mean impulse, but then it'd be rather low in comparison to the other impulses, so im not sure
-That the ReloadFraction and Reload should be combined to make 1 number = reloadtime

I'll list stuff as what i think it does (if the name of the variable is pretty obivous) or, i'll put it in as the original and put a * infront, i'll also write down the value as given first, and then in between () an easier to read value/proper type (like sec/hp/% etc) (if possible)

Onto the stats:

Health Delay Till Regen & Regen Time Till Full
light: 5sec
medium: 6sec
heavy: 8sec

(light = assasin & sniper, medium = assault & support, heavy = gunner & tank)

Melee Juice: 5 per hit
Crit Base Duration: 1sec
Melee Damage: 100
Melee Backdamage Multiplier: 2 (200%)
Melee Damage vs Bots: 2 (200%)
Melee ROF: 0.75 (1.33/s)
Time for multikill: 4sec
Max level: 99

Assault, HP: 500, Speed: 600, AirSpeed: 500

-Rifle,
Damage: 8-39 (80-390dps)
ROF: 0.1 (10/s)
Spread: 0.085
Zoomed in Spread Modifier: 0.65 (-35%)(spread = 0.05525)
Zoomed in Speed Modifier: 0.25 (-75%)(speed = 150)
Ammo: 25 shots
Juice: 0.25
Reload Time: 1.66
Max Damage Range: 1536 units
Max Damage Range Zoomed in: 2048 units
Max Range: 2560
Max Range Zoomed In: 2560

Damage vs Bots: 1.0 (100%)
Damage vs Turrets: 0.5 (50%) (40-195dps)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.2 (20%) (16-78dps)

-Grenade Launcher,
Damage: 150
ROF: 1.0 (1/s)
Spread: 0.01
Radius: 256 units
Impulse: 50000 (amount of push given by explosion)
Ammo: 10 shots
Juice: 1
Reload Time: 2.8sec
Grenade Life: 1sec
Crit Duration: 0.25(?)

Damage vs Bots: 3.0 (300%)
Damage vs Turrets: 2.0 (200%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.5 (50%)

Grapple Damage: 150 damage
Grapple Damage vs Bots: 3000 damage

-Fly
Skill Recovery: 5 (12sec)
Drain: 30/25/15 per sec
Cost on Use: 10
Spread Modifier: 1.5 (+50%)(0.1275 or 0.082875 while zoomed in)

-Bomb
Skill Recovery: 3/4/5 (20/15/12sec)
Damage: 100/200/300
Radius: 256/384/512 units
Impulse: 100000/175000/225000
Cost on Use: 60

Damage vs Bots: 2.5 (250%) (250/500/750damage)
Damage vs Turrets: 3.3 (330%) (330/660/990damage)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 3.33 (333%) (333/666/999damage)
Damage vs Self: 0.5 (50%) (50/100/150damage)

Health: 25
Extra Damage when attached to something: 2000
Arm Time: 1sec

-Charge,
Skill Recovery: 4/7/9(15/8.57/6.67sec)
Damage: 150/300/450
Impulse: 50000/75000/100000
Cost on Use: 60
Juice: 1

Throw vs Heavy: 2500
Throw vs Medium: 3000
Throw vs Light: 3500

Damage vs Turrets: 1.0 (100%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.0125 (1.25%) (1.875/3.75/5.625damage)

-Passive
Crit Damage Bonus Lvl 2: 0.15 (+15%)
Crit Damage Bonus Lvl 3: 0.25 (+25%)
Crit Chance Lvl 2: 2 (2%)
Crit Chance Lvl 3: 5 (5%)

(def dps with passive 3 = 3*10+3*1.25*0.05*10 = 31.875| 39*10+39*1.25*0.05*10 = 414.375, increase of 24 dps = about 6% maxdamage increase)

Jump modifier: 1.375 thus, something with jump gets a 37.5% boost prolly only jump height though, also doesn't say at which lvl passive (but we all know its level 2)



-Support, HP: 400, Speed 600

-Heal/Hurt Gun
Heal/Repair: 20
Repair Jackbot: 100
Drain: 3
Damage: 15
Repair Damage: 39
ROF: 0.25 (4/s)
Heal Juice: 0.25
Heal Max Juice: 0.05 (?) (ehm... max juice gained can only be 5% of full bar?)
Heal Money: 0.075 (0.075 gold per hit = 0.3gold/s or 1gold per 3.3sec)
Overheal: 1.5 (+50% hp)
AttachRange,
Max: 1536 (if already attached, max range),
Trace: 1408 (if not connected yet, max range)
Area: 1280 (if not looking toward it? Max range)

-Shotgun
Damage: 1-405
ROF: 1.0 (1/s)
Spread: 0.1
Pellets: 15 (1 pellet does 1-27 damage?)
Ammo: 8
Juice: 0.3
Max Damage Range: 384
Max Range: 1024
Reload Time: 2.425

Cone Spread: 6
Cone Trace Count: 3 (can only hit 3 people max? Need to test)

Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.25 (25%)
Damage vs Turrets: 0.5 (50%)

Grapple,
Damage: 75
Damage vs Bots: 20 (2000% = x20 = 1500damage (?))

Hack:
Skill Recovery: 1 (always takes a minute to recharge)
Duration: 150/165/180sec
Channel: 5/4/3sec (how long it takes to hack)
Use: 60
ROF bonus: 1.0/0.8/0.6 (0/+20%/+40%)
Radius: default/1024/1536 (not sure if this is added to the range or if this replaces the range of the turret)

Airstrike:
Damage: 2500
Radius: 256/384/512
Regen: 1/0.75/0.67 (60/80/89.55sec)(only one to actually take longer the better the skill becomes)
Use: 60/30.5/20.5
Aqcuire Time: 2sec (time for the airstrike to spawn, still has to fly down tho)
Juice Per Hit: 1
Damage vs Bots: 1.0 (100%)
Damage vs Turrets: 1.0 (100%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.05 (5%)
Projectilespeed: 1750

Firebase:
Regen: 1/1.5/2 (60/45/30sec)
Use: 60
Reclaim: 15/30/45
Health: 1000/1250/1500
Healthregen: 0.1
Aura Radius: 384
Sight: 1280
Damage vs Core: 0.4 (40%)
Damage vs Bots: 2.0 (200%)
ROF: 0.1 (10/s)
Damage: 5-15 (either lvl 2 or lvl 3, max damage is upped to 20)
Spread: 0.05
Max Damage Range: 1280
Max Range: 2048

Passive:
Regen Delay: 0.6 (medium regen delay = 6 so then this would be 3.6sec till regen)
Max Health: 200 (meaning support has 600 hp without endorsements)

Aura:
Radius: 768
Duration: 10sec
ROF multiplier: 0.75 (+25%)
Damage Reduction: 0.5 (50% DR)

I'll do the rest later, takes a bit longer then i initially thought

-Gunner, Health: 700, Speed: 550

-Minigun:
ROF: 0.1 (10/s)
Damage: 18-102
Spread: 0.075
Ammo: 100
Slow self on spinning: 0.6 (-40% speed)(=330 speed)
spinup time: 4/2/1sec
spindown time: 1sec
delay to initiate fire: 0.4/0.3/0.2sec
Target Slow: 0.7 (-30%)(it slows others?)
Slow duration: 3sec
Reload Time: 5.8625
Juice: 0.25
Max Damage Range: 1024
Max Damage Range Deployed: 2048
Max Range: 2048
Max Range Deployed: 2560
Damage vs Turrets: 0.25 (25%)
Damage vs Moneyball: 0.1 (10%)
*Shot Spread: 0.02 (extra spread?)

-DualMini:
ROF: 0.05 (20/s)
Damage: 18-68 (less damage!)
Ammo: 150
Reload time: 5.8625

-Mortar
ROF: 1.5 (0.67/s)
Spread: 0.025
Ammo: 10
Damage: 90
Radius: 256
*Radius Secondary: 384 (most likely means how much the mortars spread from eachother, i doubt they would actually have a larger radius then the main one)
*Life: 20 (you can shoot down mortars?)
Projectile Speed: 3500
Damage vs Fixed: 5.0 (500%)
Damage vs Fodder: 2.0 (200%)
Damage vs Core: 0.22 (22%)
Juice: 1
Reloadtime: 2.83sec
Damage vs Self: 0.25 (25%)
Grapple Damage: 75
Grapple Damage vs Bots: 20 (2000%?)

-Slam:
Skill Recovery: 4/5/6 (15/12/10sec?)
Use: 60
Impulse: 150000/200000/250000
Damage: 150/200/275
Radius: 512/768/1024
Emp Duration: 3sec
Damage vs Bots: 1.0 (100%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.22 (22%)
Slow Multiplier: 0.5 (-50% speed)
Slow Duration: 5sec
Juice: 2
Top Damage: 1500 (max damage threshold)

-Grapple:
Regen: 4/5/6 (15/12/10sec)
Use: 60
Damage: 50&100/50&250/50&550
Damage vs Bots: 2000/3500/5000 damage
Throw vs Heavy: 2500
Throw vs Medium: 3000
Throw vs Light: 3500

-Deploy:
Regen: 10 (6sec)
Use: 60
Crit Add: 0.2 (+20% max damage when critting) (stacks on other crits (gold crits = +25% damage, both = +45% damage when you crit)
*Crit Chance A: 5
*Crit Chance B: 2
(maybe on lvl 2 it crits every 5 shots, and on lvl 3 it crits every 2 shots?, not sure)
Damage Reduction: 0.75 (25% DR)
Spread: 0.8 (reduces spread by 20%)



-Tank, Health: 700, Speed: 500

Flame: (for all flames btw, (assault bomb for example)
Damage: 10
Damage interval: 0.5 (2/s)
Duration: 5sec
Duration on Tank: 1sec
Crit Duration: 1sec

-Jetgun:
ROF: 0.1 (10/s)
Damage: 30-55
Ammo: 50
Juice: 0.25
Max Damage Range: 512
Max Damage Range Deployed: 768
Max Range: 1734
Max Range when deployed: 2816 (can't really get this far tho, since due to falloff it doesnt do any damage here)
Reload Time: 2.756sec
Damage vs Bots: 2.0 (200%)
Damage vs Turrets: 1.75 (175%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.18 (18%)
(Blossom)
Damage: 50-250
Cost: 1(?)
Damage vs Bots: 10 (1000%)
Range: 1024
Range deployed: 1536 (can you blossom while deployed? (need to test))
ROF: 0.5 (2/s)

-Plasma/Railgun
ROF: 1.0 (1/s)
Damage: 149
Spread: 0.01
Ammo: 10
Juice: 0.3
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.27 (27%)
Damage vs Bots: 5
Reloadtime: 2.756sec
Grapple Damage: 75
Grapple Damage vs Bots: 3000 damage
Throw vs Heavy: 2000
Throw vs Medium: 2500
Throw vs Light: 3000

-Grenade:
Skill Recovery: 4/5/6 (15/12/10sec)
Use: 60
Damage: 100/150/150
Radius: 256/384/256
Juice: 1
Stun Duration: 2sec
Damage vs Turrets: 1 (100%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.167 (16.7%)
Damage vs Bots: 4 (400%)

-Charge:
Damage: 150/275/300
Impulse: 75000/75000/75000
Skill Recovery: 4/6/8 (15/10/7.5sec)
Use: 60

-Deploy:
Skill Recovery: 10 (6sec)
Use: 60
Damage Reduction: 0.75 (25% DR)
Health Delay: 0.5 (-50% time till regen)
Health Duration: 0.5 (regen time needed to fill up -50%)
*Ammo Reg(?): 1 (wtf? Ammo Regen? need to test)

-Passive:
Regen Delay: 0.75 (-25% time till regen) (not sure which level)
Health Bonus: 0/150/300

-Sniper, Health: 300, Speed: 650

-Sniper Rifle
Damage:100
ROF: 1.0 (1/s)
Spread: 0.1
Ammo: 4
Zoomed Spread: 0.0
Juice: 2
Headshot: 5 (225*5=1125Damage, Tank can survive with passive 3 and either silver or gold armor?)
Zoom Min damage: 225 (prolly simply means that zoomed in you do 225, noscope = 100)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.5 (50%)
Damage vs MoneyBall Zoomed in: 0.25 (25%)
Reloadtime: 2.5sec
Zoom fov: 10
Zoom mouse scale: 0.6

-SMG:
Damage: 39
ROF: 0.1 = 10/s
Spread: 0.07
Ammo: 10
Juice: 0.25
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.25 (25%)
Damage vs Turrets: 0.5 (50%)
Damage vs Bots: 1.0 (100%)
Max Damage Range: 1536
Max Range: 3072
Reload Time: 1.68sec
ROF Grapple: 1 (1/sec)
Grapple Damage: 150
Grapple Damage vs Bots: 3000 damage

-Flak:
Damage: 25/50/75
Skill Recovery: 3 (20sec)
Radius: 256/512/768
Use: 60
Lifespan: 5sec
Juice: 0.1
Damage Interval: 0.25 (4/s)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.33 (33%)
Damage vs Turrets: 3 (300%)
Damage vs Players: 0.5 (50%)

-Trap:
Skill Recovery: 3/2/2 (20/30/30sec)
Use: 60/31/31
Max: 1/2/3
Duration: 0.5sec (duration of what?)
Speed Multiplier: 0.5/0.0/0.0
Detect Radius: 256
Affect Radius: 640
Skillregen: -1
Skillregen Duration: 1sec
Health: 25
Fuse: 3sec (takes 3sec to arm?)
Playerfreeze: 1.5
Interval: 0.25 (4/s, probably how often in sec the code checks wether someone is in the area?)

-Grapple:
Skill Recovery: 4/5/6 (15/12/10sec)
Use: 60
Damage: 150/140/225
Damage vs Bots: 2000/3500/5000 damage
Throw vs Heavy: 2500
Throw vs Medium: 3000
Throw vs Light: 3500
Grapple Damage vs JackBot: 2500 damage

-Passive
Explosive Damage: 100
Explosive Radius: 256



-Assasin, Health: 300, Speed: 650

Clip (lvl2): 1.5 (ammo increases on lvl2 passive)

-Lunge:
Attack Duration: 0.25
Lunge Duration: 0.7
(lunge takes 0.7sec of which only 0.25sec damage can be done?)
Speed: 3000
Regen: 30 (=2s?)

-Dagger:
ROF: 0.5 (2/s)
Damage: 50
Lunge Damage: 134
Damage vs Bots: 10 (1000%)
Damage vs Turrets: 4 (400%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.18 (18%)
Juice: 1
Backdamage Multiplier: 1.5 (+50%)
Grapple ROF: 0.5 (2/s)
Grapple Regen: 6 (=10sec?)
Grapple Damage vs Bots: 3000
Grapple Damage vs JackBot: 2500
Grapple Damage vs Players: 400
Grapple Backdamage vs Players: 700

-Sword:
Backdamage Multiplier: 1.5 (+50%)
Juice: 1.5
Damage vs Bots: 10 (1000%)
Damage vs Turrets: 4 (400%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.125 (12.5%)
ROF: 0.5 (2/s)
Damage: 75
Lunge Damage: 167
Grapple ROF: 0.5 (2/s)
Grapple Regen: 6 (10sec)
Grapple Damage vs Fodder: 5000
Grapple Damage vs Boss: 3000
Grapple Damage vs Players: 150 (goes down? why?)
Grapple Backdamage vs Players: 1000

-Shuriken:
Damage: 61
Radius: 64
ROF: 0.1 (10/s)
Spread: 0.03
Ammo: 10
Juice: 0.5
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.164 (16.4%)
ReloadTime: 1.6s
Projectile Speed: 5000
Lifespan: 2sec
Crit Duration: 0.05
Grapple Regen: 6 (10sec)
Grapple Damage vs Bots: 3000
Grapple Damage vs JackBot: 2500
Grapple Damage vs Player: 100
Grapple Backdamage vs Player: 175

-Smoke:
Skill Recovery: 3/4/5 (20/15/12sec)
Use: 60
Radius: 384/512/640
Mech Duration: 4sec (mechanic duration?)
Duration: 1sec
Jump Height: 2.5 (250%)
Jump Duration: 1sec (time you have to jump to get boost)
AirControl: 4 (400%)
AirControl Duration: 4sec
Damage modifier: 0.5 (50% DR)
Damage modifier duration: 1sec

-Cloak:
Skill Recovery: 2 (30sec)
Drain: 6/5/4
Use: 0
TimeToCloak: 2/1/0.25
Crit Duration: 0.5
Crit Multiplier: 0.15 (+15% damage when you crit)
Crit Chance: 100
TimeToUncloak: 0.25
Regen Stop: 1

-Dash:
Skill Recovery: 10 (6sec)
Consume: 20/15/5
Full: 60

-Passive:
FallDamage: 1.0/0.5/0.0

-Bots vs MoneyBall stats: (when they jump on and explode)
Damage:250
Damage Radius: 384
Damage vs Shield: 2.5 (250%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 1 (100%)

-General Bot Stats:
Health regen crossfire: 2
Health delay crossfire: 4
Health regen crossfire d: 14 (deployed?/default? or simply in overtime?)
Health delay crossfire d: 13
Heath d: 0.5
ROF d: 1.4
Speed: 700
Damage vs Turrets: 15 (1500%)
Damage vs Bots: 7.5 (750%)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.25 (25%) (when they shoot the moneyball)
Juice: 2

-Endurance: (Blitz)
Speed Bonus: 0/50/100/150/200/250/300
Armor: 1.0/1.1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2/2.25
ROF: ???/???/0.75/0.5/0.4/0.3/0.25

-Tutorial:
Speed Bonus: 0
Armor: 0.75
ROF: 3

-Slim
ROF: 0.5 (2/s)
Damage: 7
Spread: 0.01
Health: 175
Speed: 450
Sight: 1280

-Gapshot:
ROF: 2 (0.5/s)
Damage: 250
Radius: 256
Spread: 0.04
Damage vs Turrets: 4 (400%)
Health: 750
Speed: 150

-Blackjack
ROF: 0.75
Damage: 25
Damage Radius: 32
Projectile Speed: 18000
Melee Damage: 200
Melee Force: 120000
Spread: 0.02
Damage vs Turrets: 1.5 (150%)
Damage vs Bots: 4 (400%)
Health: 2000
Speed: 400
Sight: 1280

-Buzzer
Damage: 125
Radius: 128
Health: 10
Juice: 10
Airspeed: 900
Speed: 900
Lifespan: 20sec
Damage vs Turrets: 6 (600%)

-Bouncer
Damage: 150
Health: 5000
Juice: 5
Speed: 650
Grapple Damage: 275
Grapple Regen: 5 (12sec?)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 2 (200%)
Damage vs Turrets: 4 (400%)

-Scrambler
Damage: 150
Health: 1000
Speed: 450
Juice: 5
Skilldrain: 3
Drain Radius: 768
Sight: 1500

-Gremlin
Health: 200
Speed: 750
Damage: 50
Juice 5
Damage vs MoneyBall: 4 (400%)
Damage vs Turrets: 4 (400%)

-JackBot
ROF: 1
Spread: 0.01
Damage: 150
Radius: 256
Impulse: 75000
Projectile Speed: 3000.0
Health: 20000
Speed: 300
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.5 (50%)
Damage vs Bots: 10 (1000%)
Damage vs Turrets: 4 (400%)
Sight: 4096
Slam Damage: 200
Slam Radius: 1408
Slam Impulse: 250000
Slam Regen: 20
Health Delay: 30
Health Regen: 30



-Turrets:

-nub:
recharge use: 1sec
recharge die: 60sec (how long it stays disabled)
recharge die FD: 15sec (fd?)

build time slow: 4 (?)
Damage vs MoneyBall: 0.5 (50%)

-Lazer
ROF: 0.2 (5/s)
Damage: 4/+1/+3 (=4/5/8)
Juice: 3
Health: 1500/3000/4500
Regen Delay: 30sec
Regen Time: 10sec
Sight: 1408/1664/1920
Damage vs Bots: 8 (800%)
Damage to Kamikaze: 2 (200%)
Damage to Cloak: 4 (400%)
Build Time: 2/3/4sec

-Rockit
ROF: 1/0.75/0.5
Damage: 160
Radius: 96
Juice: 5
Health: 5000/8000/13000
Regen Delay: 30sec
Regen Time: 10sec
Sight: 1408/1664/1920
Damage vs Bots: 3 (300%)
Damage to Kamikaze: 3 (300%)
Damage to Cloak: 8 (800%)
BuildTime: 5/10/15sec
Projectile Speed: 5000

-Shave Ice
ROF: 2.5/2.0/1.0
Sight: 1408
Health: 5000/10000/15000
Slow Multiplier: 0.8/0.75/0.6 (-20%/-25%/-40% speed)
Slow Duration: 1sec
Regen Delay: 30sec
Regen Time: 10sec
BuildTime: def/5/8sec

-Longshot
ROF: 4/2/1
Sight: 3584/4096/4608
Health: 1000/2000/4000
Regen Delay: 30sec
Regen Time: 10sec
Projectile Speed: 2500
Damage: 60
Damage vs Turrets: 2 (200%)
Damage vs Bots: 5 (500%)
Juice: 5
Radius: 256
BuildTime: 3/5/10sec

-Mascot
Speed: 400
Mass: 500
Lifespan: 30sec
Money per hit minimum: 1
Money per hit maximim: 2
Loot Interval: 2 (shots? seconds?)


-PitPoints

-Slow: (slow? any hazard that only slows people?)
Duration: 10
Recharge: 60
Buff Duration: 3
Buff Value: 0.25
Aura Frequency: 1

-Force (ejector?)
Recharge: 30
Damage: 2000
Radius: 1536
Momentum: 250000
Damage vs Players: 0.15 (15%)(=300)
Juice: 2

-Super (annihilator)
Recharge: 180
Damage vs Players: 100 (flat damage rate)



Spawn:
Recharge: 10
Use: 2

Vendor (juice? or possibly all vendors?)
charge: 60

Wall: (wtf? walls can be used? and have health?)
Recharge: 120
Health: 5000

PitPoint Minimum use time: 1sec

-Money Pickups:
min: 5
max: 10

-Speed Pickups:
Speed Bonus = 150
Duration = 15sec

Endorsements:
Armor: 100/200/300 hp
Crit Multiplier: 0.1/0.15/0.25 (10%/15%/25%)
Crit Chance: 2%/3%/5%
Health Regen: 0.8/0.7/0.6 (20%/30%/40%)
Health Delay: 0.8/0.7/0.6 (20%/30%/40%)
Juice: 10/15/25
ROF: 0.9/0.8/0.7 (10%/20%/30%)
Skill Recovery: 0.25/0.35/0.5 (25%/35%/50%)
Speed: 25/50/100
Spread: 0.8/0.65/0.5 (20%/35%/50%)
Clipsize: 0.4/0.6/1 (40%/60%/100%)
Reload Speed: 0.8/0.7/0.6 (20%/30%/40%)

MoneyBall:
Health: 10000
Shield Respawn: 30sec
Shield Health: 1000
Overtime Damage modifier: 1.25 (125%)
Under Attack Cooldown: 5sec (how long it needs to be not fired upon to get the shield back up?)
Money per hit minimum: 1
Money per hit maximum: 1
Damage to loot: 200

Game:
Wave respawn: 5sec
Game Duration: 900sec (can be set differently by host)
Overtime Duration: 120 (can be set differently by host)
Breaktime: 20
Respawn Add: -1/0/1/-1/1 (wtf?)
Blitz money modifier 4,3,2: 0.4/0.6/0.8 (think it means, that exhibition = 40% of normal money gained, next one 60%, last one 80%, and that sudden death, and super sudden death are 100% money gain)

Juice:
Damage Modifier: 0.33 (77% DR)
Crit Multiplier Add: 3 (+300% crit modifier)
Crit Chance Add: 100 (lol, people with critbuild or crit passive have >100% crits when juiced )
ROF: 0.75 (25%)
Light Speed Bonus: 150
Medium Speed Bonus: 200
Heavy Speed Bonus: 250 (heavys gain the most from being juiced, in terms of speed)
Reload Time: 0.5 (50%)
Health: +1000hp

Zoom fov: 10
Zoom mouse scale: 0.6

The sensitivity when zoomed is already very low at mouse scale 1.0, why must it be even lower? Please Uber, change it to 1.0 or make it customizable!

Anyways, nice find Cranck, very useful info!

Thanks CrancK, good stuff here!

I guess the cat is now out of the bag, eh?

Couple of notes, because I'm a nice guy.

As you can see, there is a veritable ***-ton of numbers to balance this game. These aren't even all of them.

Core == Moneyball. It was a "power core" for most of the development but didn't fit the world, so we searched for a better name and came up with "Moneyball"

FD = Fodder Defense... early name for Blitz.

Wall is a hazard that was cut, deprecated numbers in there.

You take 1/3 damage while juiced and do 3x (+ other crit mods) while juiced.
Damage Modifier is on the damage you take. The heal is simply the 1 shot heal you get as soon as you juice.

Most grapple damage is straight-up damage. It's applied differently during a grapple so instead of using a damage modifier, we use a straight damage number.
3000 vs bots is so that in later rounds of Super/Normal Sudden Death Blitz an alternate fire grapple won't kill bots but an upgraded skill grapple will.
All alt fire grapples do 150 to other players, they are fairly weak. All except Assassin's who have it increased because it's their main for of assassination.

When deployed, yes.

Soooo. That's what it took to get some of these numbers.

Any chance of the mouse zoom sensitivity scale to be player adjusted or at least identical to unzoomed sens?

ahh, yay, awnser

that makes more sense about the juice and grapple damage ye.

ehm, about the skill recovery, did i assume correctly that a full bar = 60?

and about the juice amount, that a full bar = 100? (prolly drains at 10/s? or is it 60 and drains at 10/6?)

also, the attack damage add for the assault crab, what is that for?

and.... did i assume right about DMGFALLOF and DMGRNG? that DMGRNG = max range for which a gun does max damage, and that from there falloff starts which HAS to stop at DMGFALLOFF where it doesn't do damage anymore? (and that the falloff curve for the jetgun is so steep that it doesn't get all the way to the 1734 range?)

i've got some more questions but i'll keep at this for now, gonna update my lists with your new info/explanations

ohw damn, during updating grapples, i found the support grapple again, its got 75damage and 20 damage vs fodder ehm... still both just damage values, like the 150 and 3000?

Yes, It can be set to any number but I set all the full skill at 60 just so it makes timing easier.

Yes. It comes out to being juiced for 10 seconds.

Yes. It's the added damage to the target it's attached to.

Correct all except the DMGFALLOFF is where it does the minimum damage, not 0. For example, the Gunner does 18 damage per bullet if he hits someone beyond the DMGFALLOFF range.

Disclaimer:

All of these numbers are subject to change at any time.

Some of these numbers are different than the Xbox version. Do NOT assume that what you see here is how it works in the Xbox version.

I liked it better when I didn't know the numbers...

Don't look at them again. You won't remember all the numbers.

Oh yeah that's a good point. Although the Moneyball will forever be referred to as "The PowerCore," I will sometimes say after a Juiced Assassin destroyed our turrets "we could have used a wall there," I will tell other players Juice gives you 1000 hp and I will ask friends if they want to play some Fodder Defense.

The rest I will forget.

Juice does give you 1000 hp.

The walls didn't work like that. The worked like hazards where you press a button and they'd pop up in a pre-determined location. We had a lot of issues with them, particularly with the bots. With not enough time to polish it to the level we needed, we cut them.
It was more of a Blitz thing anyway.