What's the deal with all the negativity?

ridiculous post

it's a business... they'll make their own business decisions like adults

whiny self-entitled posts get the respect that's due

play or don't, it's entirely your choice

Indeed, I'm like a 5 year old refreshing the support forums for build notes every 5 seconds. I was on holiday for a week in a different country and I was still doing it.

Well, i think the witchhunt on people should stop right this second, it infuriates me. I feel its sad that its everyone against a few, and that an authority figure is leading the charge. Its the best reason for a lock if you ask me. I don't know how else you think this will go away besides just stopping it and bury the axes. Its not worth it and from now on all the negative things i read about any individuals i am going to triplecompensate with positive things if i run into them.

what people should do imho is to find ways to be a better community
bashing be it torwards devs or communitymembers helps absolutly no one ... it is neccesary to mention the flaws and to set those right ... there shouldnt be a sign of community vs devs or community vs community ... we are here for the same goal after all ... so why not try to work toghether ... that doesnt mean to not to disagree or criticise each other but to not do that in a rediculing way ... which i have seen way too much over the recent weeks in varius threads ... we can and should do better than this ...

That's a good idea, but people need to stop antagonising one another for that to happen, devs and community members included. I will certainly stop if it seems that I am leaning towards that behaviour. Peace and love for EVERYONE.

Say nice things or nothing at all.

I'll start: You are all great people, and I like all of you.

You do realise that criticism and critical thought is important in the betterment of a project, and that the person or persons who work on said project are the least objective and least qualified to judge its quality, right?

I am unsure as to why many posters concerns are being labeled and downplayed as "pooping" in this community and I am unsure as to what gain the developers and community manager hope to achieve by effectively ignoring certain members concerns by calling them "pet issues"; especially since many of those same posters have written high-quality and well thought out posts detailing the exact reasons behind those concerns.

And that has nothing do do with the fact that such things can indeed be nice, rather then not nice.

and you do realize that that your 'criticism and critical thought' damages the marketability of a product just days (hours?) from release

and you do realize that, even after release, updates and enhancements will continue

so, 'think critically' all you want, but if just a few spoil this for the many, many

the many, many won't forget anytime soon

Wow.

First off, many members have been objectively critical since before alpha.
Second... just wow. How flagrantly anti-consumer can you be? Answer; that post.

I give you an example of what the issue is here:

Taking my (very) recent post entirely out of context after several months of being told (sometimes quietly and sometimes not so quietly) to shut up.

If you're going to try to discredit me, it pays to do your research first.
I have been pushed. I am now pushing back.

If they we're boosting server performance do you not think we would notice that games are better as they are upgrading servers because they're not feeling any better.

I like you all a lot aswell i just get madly pissed off if i see people grouping up to bash upon a small group or individual and i wont be silent about it and still feeling good with myself. Its in my nature to speak my mind so i will. Also, its a shame i am the only one who dares to burn my hands on this so im not sure if i should still like you all

Also Igncom i agree that criticism can have a nice or not-nice edge on it. Thats why you can choose to believe whatever you want from it and if you don't agree you can say that aswell! I always disagree with someone on something but that doesn't have to mean we get into an endless fight.

Spittoon these are mostly concerns and it doesn't change the fact that everyone wants this to be the best RTS of 2014 atleast. Its not fair to say you should fool the masses into a game that they then all suddenly realise isn't at the stage they tought it would be, its better to just say, hey this and this works and this and this needs more work.

Constructive criticism, fine, but saying stuff like "talking to the devs is like talking to a brick wall, they don't want to know" is not constructive, it is inflammatory, especially when it seems to come out of nowhere. And they kind of do listen? I'm not saying it's all roses and kittens around here, but it's not half bad, and that's worth sticking around for.
In conclusion, make criticisms, but don't be an a hole about it (and this isn't directed at you, before I annoy anyone... ).
Hm I appear to be still posting in this thread...got my hypocrite hat on today.

My conclusion from this thread.

Devs nightmare: when some users confuse simply backing a project for shareholder stakes in the company.

Smh

Speaking only for myself, I'd say the only thing I'm a actually a bit worried about is path finding. But as I have yet to play 1.0, for all I know it has been fixed. It doesn't make sense to yell on the forums about it until I've played the release version. As long as Uber continues to support the game with fixes, balance polishing and new features I'll be happy and from everything I've read, this is what they intend to do. I'm going to trust that they will do that because they have not given me any reason to not trust that they will continue to support the game. Sure I'll occasionally post about ideas in the balance forums or wherever, but I understand not everyone is looking for the same thing that I am. There are also some features I consider absolutely necessary, for example offline play. I'm patient however and to me, it doesn't really matter if this makes it in for 1.0 or 6 months down the road.

PA, even in it's current unfinished state is my 3rd favorite RTS (right behind TA and SupCom), When I saw the kickstarter trailer for this game, it was the first time I ever thought that a RTS had a chance of de-throning TA as my favorite RTS. I still believe that is true. It may take some time to get there, but I look forward to what the future holds for this game.

And here's a few good examples of it happening from the other side. Have a little read though these
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/why-the-changes-to-doxen-are-a-good-sign.62984/
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/expectations-and-managing-them.62905/page-4#post-978768
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/could-advanced-ships-have-higher-push-class.63081/#post-981214

My point is that it's far from one sided. Some of these people have been heavily involved in the community since before alpha, putting in there own time to better the community. They also managed to post constructive criticism in a non-aggressive manner.

Over time communication has deteriorated, and then relatively recently people have been getting outright rude (like the examples you and I posted). Even when a well worded positive post is made, it's not long before the **** starts flying and accusations of thread "pooping" occur.

Now I don't know what the best way to solve this situation is. But I do know that witch hunts and singling out a small number of posters only degrades the situation further. And criticising the criticisers just ends with personal flame wars.

keep a simple rule:

dont be a di ck !

That rule only works if everyone does it. Its still the best rule because its so simple, its the only rule we got in the realm and it works pretty good. Oh and i just found your hat on my head drz1