Metal Planets - Should Metal Extractors Be Buildable Anywhere?

Which breaks the gameplay as described.

You didn't give any good examples, you just said you don't like seton's clutch. That is a preference.

Actually, You said that He said he didn't like Seton's Clutch. He talked about why gameplay is the way it is on Setons.

Mike

I know how the gameplay is. Explaining it doesn't make a case for why it is bad.

Because that gameplay isn't good...........yeah if you have both knight and raeven telling you are wrong then you should review your point.

Sorry BMB, you're the one with the outlandish claim. There is every reason to believe that infinite money maps can't be competitive. It doesn't mean they can't be FUN, but it does mean that you'll have to prove the theory with at least one decent map.

Good luck.

(IMO I think it IS possible, but it happens to be very difficult and it requires a FAR more developed orbital layer than current. It's definitely going to require a custom map, not an RNG one.)

A game is competitive if the playground is even and the skill ceiling high. There is nothing about metal planets that are against that. But there are lots of things about regular planets that are.

There's also a lot of things about mixing regular worlds and money worlds that screw up the "even playground".

That's the problem. Having all one way or all the other way isn't so bad. It's when they mix that the situation blows up.

Whether a mix is balanced or not is entirely on the shoulders of the map maker. Right now map designers don't have any control over the random generation, but they do have perfect control over the composition of a system.

Metal maps producing infinite metal would be ******* horrendous. It was fun in TA for skirmishes, but otherwise a solid no.

I don't want matches to be purely who can go orbital and claim the metal planets first. It makes all other planets completely useless in comparison, apart from to use as staging posts.

I already pointed out several times now that if two people have a presence on a metal planet, but only one person has a presence on other planets, then that second person will have a stronger economy and be able to expand faster. There seems to be this delusion going around that metal planets are somehow insta-win, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

I fail to see your logic. If every spot possible on the surface of a planet allows metal extraction, I can slap a tech2 metal extractors in huge swathes across its surface. If the other person does not have access to a similarly equipped metal planet, that pretty much is an instant win for me.

They are going to get horrifically outproduced in no time at all.

You don't seem to understand the words that I am writing.

I do but your point is moot. Two players having access to a metal planet is the BEST case. In the worst case, its horrifically broken balance, and means that metal planets are the only ones worth contesting as they are literally unlimited metal sources, in your proposed change.

Do I gotta make every point over again for each person who posts in the thread or what....

I have read the last few pages, and you seem to be making very little sense? Infinite resources clashes with raising the skill ceiling and makes resources easier, not harder to acquire.

You might as well abolish the notion of requiring resources on a metal planet altogether. With that in place the skill ceiling shoud go, well, through the ceiling, shouldn't it?
In all honesty bmb, restrictions in games are there to force decisions and trade-offs. If you remove them you remove part of what makes the game a game. Why would you want that?

And, not to mention, there currently isn't a large metal sink other than mass war machines, which is a concept that can already be approached with normal maps. Adding the ability to mine an infinite number of an extremely limited resource would not end well at all.

Taking things out of context sure makes them easier to understand!

Metal is by no means limited right now. Having certain limits can make them game more interesting. Always having the same limits can make it more dull, boring, and samey. Facilitating different limits in different situations creates different gameplay for players to deal with.

I'd love to see buildable metal extractors anywhere on metal planets, because I mean really? It's made of metal, obviously a metal extractor should be able to you know, extract metal off of a METAL planet. But as to seeing it in the game? Looks like not since the majority rules over the minority of people who actually want it.