Game won't launch (Crashes before the window is fully open)

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I am getting a bit tired of people trying to run PA on Intel graphics and then being surprised when it doesn't work. Intel GPUs are for spreadsheets, not games, even if they happen to be able to run a few cross platform titles on low settings. Stop trying to run PC only games on PC's that are not built for gaming. Stick to the console ports and indie stuff.

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Rift isn't a cross platform game, runs that just fine. XD. I'm getting tired of people thinking that everybody knows as much about computers as they do, and decide to comment rudely about it. Constructive criticism is one thing. Being disrespectful, that's a whole other ballgame.

Guess I'll just go download classic TA from GOG and hope that either I'll get a donation from a friend of a graphics card (Which they will have to install for me, or show me how to do it), or hope that later versions of PA support my card. It's that simple. Now please, if you don't have anything constructive to say, kindly bug off with your rudeness.

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Rift is a released and fully optimized game designed with scaling down to low power hardware in mind. I don't see how it applies to this situation.

I seriously doubt that PA will ever run on old Intel GPUs. In fact I will be rather surprised if it ever runs well on any Intel GPU up to and including Haswell. I think you would get reasonable performance out of an APU system though. Also I think that a Radeon HD 6670 or 7750 would probably let you run PA reasonably well.

To be fair the Radeon HD 6670 DDR3 is about $70, the price of PA.

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See, I appreciate that response because it told me a graphics card, as well as the price of it. Thank you. Now just to figure out how I would possibly get 70 extra dollars, what with all the money going toward ridiculously expensive baby formula.

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My wife is planning to breast feed as much as possible for this and other reasons. You are quite right though. Sometimes life and the resulting priorities just don't leave you with many choices.

We are also looking at reusable cloth diapers to try and save money even though it will mean doing more laundry. Personally I am not sure how that will work out with how much work an infant already is. I guess we will just have to see.

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Oh good luck with that. We tried breastfeeding, but he just didn't take to it. Now that laundry, that's a terrifying prospect. Hell I have to admit, I'm lucky that I'm able to get any time at all to play games. Usually I get to play a bit when the little man goes down for his nap.

*shrugs* Who knows, maybe I'll get some gift cards for amazon or something for my upcoming birthday from family (in about a week). If that happened, then I wouldn't feel bad about using it on myself

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We actually fully expect most intel integrated, at least HD3000+ (Sandy Bridge and on) to be able to play the game, though of course it's never going to be a performance power house. Maybe a few more generations and we'll see integrated competing with discrete, but for now, they just can't. However, there are is a lot of optimization we simply haven't even started yet.

In this specific case, unless the game is fairly old, or explicitly optimized for it, G45/G43 is not even aimed at gaming. It is more intended as a netbook/2d focused graphics chipset, with a nominal nod to 3d.

We do apologize for the lack of explicit info about supported graphics at this stage, but we actually hoped the high price would also help people to ask before buying, since it's still very much a work in progress. We'll have a much better sense by beta regarding minimum spec and recommended spec, and we just discussed some ways to help people determine if they can actually run it before they buy. Going forward, we're going to be recommending people have cards that support DX11 or have at least 1GB of dedicated memory.

PM me if you'd like to discuss options.

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Really? I didn't realize that would ever even come close to happening. I'm trying to think of a good analogy of how it thought it would always be, but I can't.


...like asking for a puppy for christmas and getting a goldfish. I mean, it's still a pet.

I guess that works :X

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Competitive = good enough for the majority of users. Discrete will, presumably, always be better. I'm not certain how it couldn't.

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Update! Apparently there is a chance that I may get that Radeon HD 6670 DDR3.

Lucky for a birthday in a week. It just depends on if family can afford it xD

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HERM! can I be of help here?

I might just keep you from having a misadventure.

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XD. So witty. However it would be nice to have a diagram on how to plug one of them suckers into my tower.

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http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/docu ... =c01700855

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Also if somebody interested today I got access to notebook with same videocard and checked why exactly PA crash on it.

I used GLIntercept to trace all OpenGL calls and PA crash after this call:

It's function from GL_ARB_sync extension which missing in latest Intel drivers for this card according to GLEW info tool.

I attacheв small trace, glewinfo and DxDiag.
PS: Now I'll just check it with latest Mesa under Ubuntu.

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Okay this is information about OpenGL support from Ubuntu 13.04 and latest Mesa.
As I see there is much more OpenGL extensions supported here, but I still don't sure what about PA.

Few weeks ago I'm already run PA on LLVMPipe (CPU), so it's interesting how it's will work on this Intel card.

PS: Haha! I get it work on this hardware:
Acer ASPIRE 3810TZ
Intel Pentium SU2700 (1.3 GHz, 800 MHz F58)
Intel GMA 4500MHD
2GB RAM

It's something like 1-2FPS in planet generator, but it's working! :shock:

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. That's fascinating that it actually is working.... Sort of, with the card. Makes me wonder if it's just some issue with steam that won't let it launch

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To be fair, I can't consider it's as "working" because it's give me something like 1-3FPS. Linux drivers for this card actually slower than Windows one, but their OpenGL support is far better.

I just had access to this notebook today and decided to check PA on it. Anyway it's will never have playable performance on such hardware.

No, it's issue of Intel Windows driver for old generations of integrated cards. It's just don't have functions this game need, these functions will be never added to their Windows driver.

Theoretically you can run game yourself on Linux, but only on your own risk. You need install Lubuntu 13.04 64-bit, add xorg-edgers PPA, and then update system to latest version.

You can also try go to BIOS menu and set more video ram, it's sometimes allow to set 256 or even 512mb.

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Still very interesting regardless!

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Listen to sxx he gives very good advice for linux-related topics.

Btw I'll also be running PA on linux on release. I think I'll stick to ubuntu.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tVt3OA ... wanalytics

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You can do that if you just want to do that as simple experiment.

But sorry, these is no hope it's will be playable on this card on any OS.